Dude, the Palestinians are not bullies. They are the bullied. I don’t know where you come up with this shit sometimes Peter.
Defund Israel.
Instead of spending billions of our taxpayer dollars on the Israeli army annually, we should be spending the money on helping Palestine rebuild itself and win its independence.
If Mr Trump had remained the US President there would still be peace. O’Biden intentionally (and predictably) started this by funding Hamas.
I agree that the US should never have been sending money into the Middle East at all. But once anyone actually forms peace between Israel and the Arabs - it is time to STOP.
But O’Biden and the authoritarian globalists do not want peace.
And that is why this is happening.
I have been watching the Israel conflicts since the 1960’s…the
Israel response is not logical, that is the point… whereas you
are being logical…from the Israeli standpoint, if you attack them,
you are the bully, regardless if that is true or not…
the Israeli response isn’t measured by logic or reason or rationality and
it isn’t proportional…one way to think about the Israeli response is
to think of Israel as a small man… and a small man, physically,
will almost always attack when threatened… a small man has a complex about
being small and will always respond to any threats because he is small…
Israel is the small man and has a complex about being small…hence
the out of control, not in proportion response, but an excess of
violence due to this small man complex…and the more conservative the
government, the more likely the response will be out of proportion to
the initial attacks…
Kropotkin
I agree with that.
I don’t agree with that but I think it is because we disagree on what “logical” means.
Whether small or large - a “proportional response” to a terrorist group merely means more terrorism.
Are you suggesting that if a man attacks a police officer with a knife the police should only bring out a knife to defend himself? - That’s just nutters.
Hamas is a CRIMINAL terrorist group. It is Hamas that Israel is counter attacking - NOT the Palestinians.
Again - what would you suggest if a country like Germany starting dropping bombs on London?
K: and we know you are consistently wrong and are wrong again about this…
why now? the Israeli government has historically been a conservative one…
and who bent the knee to Israel? why IQ45 and again, why? because it
works for IQ45 base…and IQ45 was nothing but all about his base…
everything he did was to keep his base in line… and now that IQ45 is gone,
the Israeli government is putting pressure on Biden by this action…
this military strike has but a one man audience and that person is Biden…
the Israeli government is trying to force Biden to put Israel front and center
of our foreign policy… Israel before all others is the Israeli policy…
and that is the point of these attacks… it isn’t logical or rational but
it is necessary (from the Israeli perspective)
Kropotkin
Australia, Canada and the US are far older than Israel number 1), Israel hasn’t even been around for a century, 2) Australian Aborigines and Native Americans were largely hunter-gatherers, not settled peoples, 3) Palestine is a large territory predominantly inhabited and organized by Palestinians, Australian Aborigines and Native Americans have no comparable territory, and 4) Israeli’s oppress them and keep settling their territory, shrinking its borders.
Really you can’t meaningfully compare Palestinians to Australian Aborigines and Native Americans.
The MSM is Zionist first and foremost, Jews largely own the media.
They’re not really socialists, or capitalists, they’re corporate socialists, and they see Israel through the Zionist lens while conveniently seeing white countries through the Cultural Marxist lens.
Palestine is desperate, Israel is not.
It’s never right to hide behind children, but how Israel treats all Palestinians is even worse.
K: one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter…it is only terrorism depending on
one’s viewpoint…is Hamas a criminal Terrorist group? depending on who is doing the
accounting… if you are for me, no, you are not a terrorist, if you are against me,
yes, you are a terrorist…
Was George Washington a Terrorist?
An American will give you one answer and a Brit will give you another answer…
as far as policemen go, yes, they are small men and so they don’t answer proportionally,
I have seen, seen, 12 policemen detain a small 11 year old boy for skateboarding…
that is the Israeli overkill in action…and that is the American police departments in action…
Kropotkin
“Thanks in large part to the US and the commonwealth, Israel has one of the most powerful armies in the world”
And that, obsrvr, is why Israel doesn’t resort to terrorist attacks. The US has given them an army.
What u thought this has anything to do with Israel doing the ‘noble’ thing? No silly, they don’t need terrorism, that’s why they don’t use it.
Then why is it that I could (and did on this board) predict it?
Well that is not true. They are conservative for themselves - only.
Sure - actually and in real establishing peace and pulling troops out of the Middle East had nothing to do with it. Mr Trump was merely placating a bunch of Americans so he could get rich.
You’re bonkers.
No. They have a higher tactic. They don’t directly attack citizens of any country. They use media to get countries and groups to attack each other.
As I said - there are NO good blokes in any of this.
But when Peace is finally established - whoever breaks the peace is the aggressor.
And in this case - that is the criminal terrorist group Hamas and those who funded them - O’Biden, Iran, China, and Russia - the global authoritarians. Not Israel - not Palestine.
Well I dunno bout all that, but when trump moved the embassy (an official territorial statement), of course that pissed Hamas off even more than they already were. But then just recently when Israel police raided a Islamic holy place, well goddamn man what do you think is gonna happen?
Course Palestine is a heterogeneous zone of governments and Fatah doesn’t even recognize Hamas as legit.
Now matter how you cut it, you end up at a philosophically irresolveable existential dilemma; might is right, but the winning party needs to justify itself by claiming to be the moral victor as well, with a right to the use of force, that, if used by the enemy, would be a wrongful use if force, and so on.
No doubt that Hamas are eleventh century barbarian fundamentalist, but all Palestinian factions oppose the partition… some are just more radical than others.
But the establishment of the state of Israel was quite literally a protected mass migration of Jews into a territory that was already claimed by the ottoman empire. The empire was dismantled as a consequence of the mess ww1 created in the region, and territory was literally redistributed by a group of world police who put themselves in charge despite the lack of consent of the Arab nations.
This is why I cracked the Mexican joke earlier. It’s okay to ship Jews by the bus load into your country, but not Mexicans.
The bottom.line may be wronged, or righted depending on the side of the isle ,but the partition may more to have to do about postwar opinions of the Allied powers then the actual Arab sentiments including the people of Palastine.
It was suggested to King Hussein that he populate a part of Trans-Jordan with Palastenien refugees, but he declined.
So much for the test of ‘Arab Unity’ and the rest of it being prevy to inter tribal, regional hostility and violance.
On the other hand, it has been suggested that millions of others were lost in the great wars other then victims of the Holocost, but then forgetting that proportionally Israel’s loss was far greater than those of other participants.
Finally, the incessant enslavement of the Jewish people and Israel, tended to compensate the adaptibility factor , as the only possible way : that the Jewish people could cope with stereotipical victimization.
The Ancient Jewish state, after all, had a rightful place in the Middle East, and being one of the earliest evolved cultures of the world, did not deserve virtually an ungoing territory grab and consequent enslavement.
If this list is not enough, the political landscape between Capitalism and Communism, had built in butoften overlooked , and hidden subtleties attached to it’s Manifesto , such as ’ each according to it’s ability’ as the mode of evaluation of individual worth.
Considering all of the above, expecting real trouble for Israel is very unlikely, at least as an impending result of continuos struggle in that region.
Most of it has to do with economic controls set to eliviate the inter regional jelousy that defines mentality there, and the growing fear that the need for petroleum is lessening as electric vehicles will be substituted for gasoline driven ones in the next few years.
And finally, with all due respect, Trump’s move of the embassy was mostly a symbolic act, a strategic political move, rather then a substantial guaranty of regional and world wide stability.
That “holy place” was inside Israel. It was in their own territory. And it was as holy to the Israelis as it was to the Muslims. That is what they had been fighting about for decades.
But Peace got established between Israel and the Arabs.
Hamas could not launch a terrorist attack on Israel until O’Biden donated funds to them through Iran - intentionally breaking the peace and forcing Israel to defend itself - again.
That is why Israel is NOT attacking the Palestinians. Hamas is a globally recognized disease and cancer hiding inside Palestine. Israel goes to extreme measures to let the Palestinians know exactly where they are going to strike just so the Palestinian civilians can get out of the way - they send messages - they explode a concussion type bomb above the buildings - and they wait - then they blow the hell of of the buildings.
But no one can fight a cancer or disease if they refuse to endanger a single innocent cell.
I don’t disagree with that.
The same could be said of the American Indians - so if some Indians began launching rockets into Washington DC - Is the Pentagon supposed to just say - “well we can’t do anything because we might hurt someone”? The current US government really would act exactly like that because they are doing everything in their power to destroy the US - just as Hamas, Iran, China, and Russia are doing.
The aggressors are whoever breaks the Peace. And they cannot be left alone to continue just because an innocent somewhere might get hurt - especially when the terrorists are intentionally using the innocent as shields.
All a moral person can do is make every attempt to NOT hurt anyone else while they cut out the cancer. And it is more immoral to let the cancer grow - because innocents are already getting killed by the cancer.
But they took it from the Jews - so who is really the aggressor?
Agreed. And that is the consequence of losing the war. Many other regions throughout the world has similar “redistribution” of power and/or territories.
It is a question of whatever is currently legal and a part of the existing peace. O’Biden and the globalists ignore existing laws to undermine nations - ILLEGALLY! (such as the Fraud of 2020). They are only interested in conquering ALL of the entire world - nothing else.
If the US would bother to simply make new laws for immigration there wouldn’t be a problem - but they refuse to let the US make its own laws. They are serious and murderous authoritarians with absolutely no moral compass.
No moral compass eh?
Every president in the US has been a piece of shit.
So are you.
Every world leader has been a piece of shit.
So are you.
What do you think you’re accomplishing here?
Policy of love-dream?
Millennia, actually. It was obviously holy to the Jews 1000 years before there even was such a thing as Islam.
People nowadays generally have no idea the world is even that old.
It seems they have accepted a cease fire - for the moment. But not anything to do with the credit stealing O’Biden. Egypt appears to have told the Hamas to knock it off - or else. O’Biden refuses to help restore Israel’s defense ammunition.
So O’Biden might have to send Iran more money - perhaps has already landed yet another plane loaded with pallets of borrowed American tax cash in Iran.
They have to stir trouble in the Middle East somehow (Mr Trump wiped out their ISIS scheme 
).
I think in America the world began in 1619 by natural born African slaves in chains shortly after the big bang. Then in 1913 the Jews stole it from the blacks. Then Mr Reagan destroyed the economy. Then Mr Obama stepped in to save the world. Then Mr Trump stole an election and ruined it all. Now O’Biden has to remake All of America to save the planet and get those Jews and whites off the planet so they can go back to the beginning - in 1619.
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…it’s like the US stopped teaching ancient history over a decade back… would explain the current ignorance of the American masses, which has led to the state of current socio-political affairs.
Yes, and that is why policy revisions have become a piece of cake under the guise of media messages.
they should make a video out of that.
And yes Trump did a lot to disrupt the genocidal practices of Obama and his handlers. No matter how hard the cartoon in chief tries, he won’t fully undo what Trump has accomplished.