Really? All Ive said is true though.
The word translated as “God” in Genesis (Elohim) is even plural.
For Perpetual, on Israeli war paganism.
youtu.be/JZswrVALi2M?t=1502
(starts at the intended anecdote about the 6 day war and the fish)
military-quotes.com/mottos/israel.htm
(you see that they’ve actually adopted a Nietzschean phrase - and some then added something typically matriarchal to it)
Well my thing is, it’s impossible for me to have unbounded sympathy for an individual or group of people who claim to believe, actually believe, and live according to what they therefore believe, the bible and anything in it - with the exception of confirmable historical or archaeological events.
Just the fact that someone could believe something like that somehow makes them, and their troubles, less pressing for me. And if I thought a great majority of a person’s or group’s troubles were caused by what they believe, and what they do as a result, I’d have even less sympathy.
I’d not describe the history of the struggle of the people who call themselves ‘jews’ much more than what happens to people who have neither land nor resources to produce and stock surplus goods, and therefore no substantial economy. That’s the original and first struggle they endured, and while their believing they were entitled and divinely predestined to rule didn’t help their PR much, the other opposing tribes and nations were doing the same nonsense with their god.
It’s location location location, dude. If your peeps evolved in a good region and stayed there for a good five hunerd years or so, chances are they got a good hold on some fertile land and got a little civ going. If not, well you had to travel around and ax folks to let you hang out. Now if u go about doing this like an over zealous evangelist, ur gonna have problems with em. That’s just keepin it real.
So it’s difficult for me to have much sympathy for the JEW rather than a jew or some jews. Like I have the utmost sympathy for those who endured, suffered and/or died during ww2 as a result of persecution. That was an indubitably horrible event in history for those folks.
But I ain’t tryna hear the jews or the muslims bitchin right now because my god man the shit they believe and how easy it would be to resolve their problems if they’d grow the fuck up. What are you gonna do? U can’t be like ‘awww man I’m sooooo sorry this is happening to you, blah blah.’
I mean the ones in charge, not the regular Jewish and Muslim citizens. What needs to happen is secular jews and secular muslims need to form an alliance and perform a coup of both nation governments.
That isn’t all I was referring to but doesn’t “Elohim” mean similar to “The many into one” - the single entity that is the combination of all? - “Allah” - “The Whole of Spirit” - “the many voices together” - a hymm"?
Didn’t Moses say something about “the one true god”?
I don’t think Judaism is Hellenistic.
Were they persecuted in ancient Greece?
That Jews were persecuted as a fact and instilling a persecution complex into children are two entirely different things. For instance, I’ve heard Jews in Israeli in interviews when pressed on the Palestine land situation give the same knee-jerk “we’ve been persecuted for thousands of years etc etc” as an excuse for their actions… That’s not the proper response…that’s passive-aggressive…The proper response is the strong do what they can ( end.of.discussion.)… And I’ve heard Israelis say the don’t even want all that American tax payer money… that would be the proper mindset…Why do strong moves need to be constantly accompanied with a victim narrative? I get that’s the political game everyone plays… But a true warrior nation wouldn’t even need to bring it up…I could care less if Israel completely took over “Palestine”… They’d probably do a better job of managing the land anyways…
So I’m part Irish (supposedly… my middle name is Norman in origin)… Last name is English (possibly Norse in origin)… But anyways, I take no pride in the Irish being oppressed/persecuted by the English… From my point of view… the English were just superior militarily and that’s that… even if they were a bunch of sadistic bastards…And the English have no business playing the victim card when it comes to the Normans…
I think the documentary was “Defamation” BTW
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJo7LhSPJaY[/youtube]
But can the the Jews ever be truly free if they continue to hold on to their commandments? If they are truly a warrior nation, wouldn’t they need to embrace the lion (TSZ)?
I like the video, thanks for sharing. I love the architecture and layout of Jerusalem, especially with all those lions. More TV shows/movies should be set there.
“I don’t think Judaism is Hellenistic”
To be sure, all religious thinking post animism/fetishism stage is a blend of components and elements that are present in all particular types. Additionally you have the same kinds of stories (origins, development of civilizations, apocalypse, etc) being told by them all. Obviously as missionaries, historians, military personnel, etc., travel about, they pick up stories and ideas.
Even if, for instance, you have Judaism evolving independently of and without contact with another religion thousands of miles away, chances are they each have a creation story involving supernatural creatures and events of some variety (floods are a popular story piece).
But if contact is made, mixing inevitably happens. Note the vein of ideas running up through Pythagoras to Plato to the essenes to the Christians. Each stage is unwittingly built off the last… and in the end you don’t have an exclusive religion. All you have are recurring ideas spread out over time in the various languages. Well I mean the idea isn’t in the language, it’s in the head. No not IN the head like the brain… you know what I mean.
If we spent as much time, energy and resources on building up Palestine’s socioeconomy (with their consent) and supporting a two state solution as we did on building up Israel’s military and tacitly supporting Israel’s expansion, perhaps there’d be peace in the region, instead of the slow displacement there is now.
Palestine refuses a two-state solution. It has been offered many times. They want nothing but Israel totally exterminated.
Or is it Israel who refuses it and wants Palestine totally exterminated?
In any case, the west should withdraw all its political economic and military support from Israel and its perpetual occupation, and displacement of Palestine.
If Palestine really must be occupied, it should be occupied by the UN, Israel has proven it can’t be trusted with its occupation.
It is Israel and the US that has been offering it - for years.
IF they would also stop sending funding to the Arab countries.
I don’t see anyone interested in occupying Palestine. What the nations want is for Palestine to form a stable and mature government - which the terrorist prevent them from doing - assuming they could on their own. They are apparently highly unstable people even on their own. They were the outcasts from surrounding Arab regimes.
Israel aggressed far beyond the original agreement. But a part of that was incentivized by the entire Arab world coalescing to get rid of them entirely - ignoring the WW2 consequences and agreements (the 6-day war). So they were actually aggressed upon and as a result of again winning a war - they chose to grow bigger - probably for next time.
But they stopped agressing and a peace agreement was made. And if the bloody US President would keep his money for his own country the peace would probably continue - but he, and the globalists don’t want that.
The, bulk of American foreign aid goes to Israel, not to Arab countries, least of all to Palestine.
What the nations want is whatever rich, powerful Jews want.
We too are being occupied, by Israeli lobbies, the most powerful lobbies in America are for Israel.
And what Israel wants is to continue occupying, oppressing and displacing Palestinians, shrinking their borders.
They got dozens of millions of Christian Zionists bending the knee before Israel.
They got the mainstream left cowering before Israel with the anti-Semitic card they unabashedly and compulsively play over, over and over again.
Everyone who criticizes Israel is literally Hitler.
They own all of Hollywood and most of the MSM.
They got all their ducks and bases lined up and covered.
I think you are just getting into higher issues of good or bad nations and peoples. That kind of thing is far too deep for this kind of thread - merely about one recent conflict - who really started it - not who the morally good or bad blokes are.
That is absolutely true. I loathe these attitudes, and Ive seen interviews with young people in Tel Aviv that are frankly nauseating.
This extremely bitchy attitude that especially modern urban Israelis can show is a dirty stain on the accomplishment of their heroic forbears and, if this attitude continues to fester, I dont see Israel existing for very long to be honest.
If a proper warrior mentality isn’t consolidated then what’s the point even? Why would they be worthy of that land? The whole point was getting back the warrior caste.
Ive seen very many things that tell me that the warrior mentality is alive, and Ive also seen lots of things that show me that many people are always on the verge of collapsing into slave morality.
So yeah.
It’s rather ambiguous.
My point in general that I wanted to make is that the accomplishment of re-obtaining the land negates Nietzsche’s narrative about the Jews for a good part, and indeed it never did make sense to me to blame Christianity on the Jews, to put the institutionalization of victim morality on their conto. He makes a beautiful argument for it, such as elaborately expounded in The Antichrist, but it is clear that he doesn’t have knowledge of Judaism - not because he isn’t clever enough for it but because he’s not interested. As it is not his taste.
The victory of the Jews in re-obtaining their land proves that they were wise to keep to their god, and that they were right in thinking their god demanded of them certain efforts, certain improvements. When they were expelled, they were not a very significant people. Now, they are infamous across the planet, having developed the atom bomb and psychoanalysis and all sorts of extremely powerful things. N did underestimate their power and he unjustly blamed them for Christianity which they have always abhorred.
Exactly. And this is what Ive heard much more from high placed Israelis.
The lamenting and bitching is mostly very backwards and decadent people - of which there are of course a great deal, everywhere.
As much as I love Arabs as a people, there is nothing noble about Palestine, if Jews are accused of victim mentality, the victim mentality of the Palestinians is off the charts, surpasses everything in that league, it’s disgusting the way they parade the bodies of their dead with the screaming women around it, it’s just hateful.
And they’ve always been an instrument of Iran, obviously, which launches these missiles into Israel so as to be assured of retaliations so as to be assured of more of these disgusting victim theaters.
Congratulations, that’s nice heritage.
No, victim mentality is always ugly.
Thanks… but Im very wary of watching any victim mentality stuff… I know it goes on and it is bad.
To counterbalance this knowledge I can only recommend immersing in the 6 Day War, but also just the way they took the land to begin with. It’s really an extraordinary story of bravery and the strategies employed and the characters involved are reminiscent very much of prechristian days.
Well they have a mission to complete, they’re in the deepest essence a military tribe that has been on campaign for thousands of years and they’re very close to accomplishing their mission.
Since this mission is ongoing even I as a rather knowledgeable occult ally of them cant speak to all of it.
Beyond that -
there must be a Lion-like transformation.
But not just of them.
Im grateful that you watched it. I hadn’t thought about it for a time, but it came up now because it’s so appropriate, also the notion of Jews as Pagans. The lions, indeed - they are very much tied to the natural elements, their rituals always involve stuff of the earth.
Naturally, the thousands of years in exile have done them ill in physical respects, my wish for them is simply that they enjoy their land and their power and gradually come back to being a full warrior type; - that they allow for what hasn’t killed them to have made them stronger.
I think this, the idea that Jews control everything and that that’s so very mean of them, is todays most prevalent victim mentality.
If they do control everything, which they dont - but even if they control half of what they’re accused of controlling, then they’ve done a damn fine job for themselves, have they not? Coming from being a small tribe of people expelled from their country some thousands of years ago, for them now to be considered more powerful than the Vatican, China, the US and Russia, – I mean thats pretty damn strong.
Why can we admire Alexander the Great and Caesar for subjugating continents, but must we feel resentful to Jewish conquerers?
Because they are more deceptive?
You think Alexander wasn’t a master of deception? Have you not read about Ceasars methods?
All conquest happens through deception, and that very much include Hitlers conquests -
and it also includes the victories of the Germans over the Romans. These Germans were extremely deceptive, just hilarious to follow these campaigns.
Is it not just a frustration of minds that are less clever, less able to command the expectations of their adversaries?
in times of uncertainty, decline, regression, deconstruction, the levels of reality that have the widest, and most general constructs have to assert a weight, that always almost is left to a participation that appears as ignoble as contradictory.
That bottom line is the set of sets containing It’s self as well.
It works havoc on the creatures of the forest, the innocents , who have Bern structured and channeled into an axiomatic circuitry.
Victim hood and victimization feed themselves by fiat, that is reductive toward the simulated sense of the ancient prophets and seers.
all this happened while israel claims it’s defending itself from the other side which israel claims wants to wipe them off the earth. kinda looks like it’s working the other way.
My point is not that the Jews are evil or in control of everything.
My point is 1) they control a lot, certainly more than Palestinians and arguably more than Arabs, altho admittedly Arabs are no slouches either, and 2) Jewish interest sometimes conflict with non-Jewish interests, I’m just trying to point out where they conflict.
Arguably no ethnic group has more power in America than Jews, whites are no longer capable of taking their own side on anything, and America is still the most powerful country in the world, for now, it’ll be interesting to see how things realign presuming China takes the scepter before the end of the century.
Just because I’m criticizing Jews and Israel doesn’t mean I’m making them out to be some kind of monster from hell, you are just playing the antisemitism victim card.
II think you misread or misunderstood me dude. I dont see the Jews as victims, but as (self-)chosen people, as people with a special tie to the divine, with the sources of human greatness. Yes, they endured endless brutalities but they havent succumbed to psychological slavery, rather they went on the conquer. I admire such warrior hearts. The Jews, as the only remaining pagan nation in the west, serve as the scapegoat for the far more indiscriminately brutal christian world, and the church has made sure to arrange it this way as it is highly convenient - the Jews namely dont generally bother to correct the narrative, as they simply expect no better from humans. Theyve always been cynical on the side of realism. Jews dont generally consider themselves victims of anything but their own inadequacy before their god which they have been working for thousands of years to remedy, and they’re expecting the outside world to act like swines to them, as this is what has generally been the case. Why be optimistic about encounters with the outside world? The Jews have culture, and they intend to keep it and establish it in its old glory. When I say people are jealous of the power of the jews and that this is why they’re complaining, im not playing the victim card. Im calling them out as a victim, christians always imagine themselves victims of some sect, and it’s very often been the jews. Jews expect this, and believe it’s what their god has brought upon them because they had lessons to learn.
This video came up;
youtube.com/watch?v=OOFRNGlEB6k
The lowest kind of jew and person in general, he who goes among his own people to expose them to the outside world. And yet he lives in Israel, the state founded by the very philosophy that he prostitutes himself into shaming.
The two men he interviews first - I cant watch too much of this traitors video - are noble; the first admits to believing the Jews have a more important mission than the rest of humanity - exactly as a Greek or Roman would have said. The second is simply a devout and honest man, very sensible. He believes in his god but doesn’t become aggressive when he is confronted with this apostate-prostitute. Can you imagine what would happen if someone a a stunt like that in a neighboring country?
No, the Jews have patience, sensibility, and very definitive values from which they dont waver. This pays off. It’s as simple as that, and our decadent and discoherent peoples might rather want to take them as an example, finally, than keeping on with trying to find the solution to their misfortunes in nagging on to each other about the successful actions of an older, harder and more learned tribe.
FC, do you have a rabbi? And is he telling you that the Jewish people are polytheistic?
Certainly in the context of the last four hundred years at least, the Jewish people have done considerably well. And by context I’m meaning a state of global affairs and economic relations and intellectual ideas (theology, e.g.) that encourages ethnic groups to become nationalistic and capitalistic by attrition; in order to even exist this kind of competing is required, and all the underhanded deception that comes with it.
But all this nonsense is unnecessary at best and pitiable at worst. First, ethnical divisions along lines other than racial features - that Jews are a special kind of white person with unique features that only Jews can have (culture included) - is incredibly silly and certainly not anything scientific. Second, the religious stage that the Jewish people are still in, contributes directly to and even justifies the silly ethnical exclusitivity they grant themselves. And thirdly, the former two combine and compel the Jewish people into capitalistic competition (& all the forms of parasitism that comes with that) in order to survive and expand their sense of nation and increase their attainment of property/real estate.
And all this nonsense wouldn’t have to be happening right now if history had gone differently. Man if Lenin hadn’t’a died, that whole ordeal over there would be so different it’d be unrecognizable, and would have been so for over a hunerd years now.
I’m tellin y’all it’s hard to look at great spans of history that are so assbackwards they don’t even warrant any serious attention unless the purpose is to show what NOT to do.
I don’t know about Jakob the fixed barbarium, but I don’t have a rabbi.
I had a rabbiT once though when I wuz a kid.