I’ve spent much of my life philosophying. I actually think I’ve arrive at quite a few significant points.
The problem is, the conclusion I’ve reached is that life is pretty much meaningless. It is unfair. There is no justice. And therefore there is no meaning.
I’m contemplating suicide. I’m sick of existing in a pile of shit. I’ve had enough.
Any final points you want to flick on to me?
life is not meaningless. there are different meanings to different people and one of these meanings is to be with those that they love. have you considered how many people would miss you? how much sadness there’d be if you were dead?
Congradulations, Moonface, you are now a philosopher.
Woah, woah, woah. Wait a minute. If life were fair and just, would that make it meaningful? No. Try again.
Hey, I’ve grown some pretty mean marijuana in shit before. Shit ain’t all that bad.
I’ll tell you what. I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll give you my phone number and you call me. If I can’t convince you to not kill yourself then I’ll kill myself, and you will be a murderer.
Deal? You may request my number via private message. I’d love to talk to you…we’ll split the bill, okay.
No, I’d rather flick a booger on you and call it progress.
Well, suicide is the short trip back home to the other side. While on the other side, you may be scorned for not finishing your duty here on Earth which in the long run, you yourself chose to live it out. The life is a long journey of brith, death, and rebirth. All the lives lived are the road leading to total perfection. While i doubt some things I have read and been taught, I belive that suicide is the most selfish act ever to be thought of. I have come up with many philosophies too… but I dont’ think that this earth is not worth living in. Belive me, I hate people and the things they do, but I also love to think of why would anybody do uch a thing or ask myself why things are the way they are. Why are things the way they are for you? I truely belive you chose this life yourself and for that you knew you were going to learn somthing in this life time. While others scorn you for what you are thinking of doing… I am not going to say anything to persued you one way or the other. You do what you do, maybe you lived this life to effect people tramatically by your death. Maybe your death will save the life of another. On the other hand, your decision may kill somebody else. You may have chose this life just for the little fact that you may be in the right time in the right place to change or save somebody elses life… Just so many thoughts I have and to tell you the truth, it was me thinking a little further about myself committing suicide that I am still here today… Like my examples above, I may still be here and alive to save YOUR life… seriously take my advice and don’t committ this foolish act…
I have at various times throughout my life contemplated this ignoble deed. Not that all suicide is ignoble, but for the reasons i would have done it it would have been. I never told anyone i was thinking these thoughts while i was thinking them, however. Nietzsche said something once to the effect that the thought of suicide has helped one through many a long dreary night. It is nice to know that this option exists even if it is rarely warranted.
Mary Ann, where did you get this information? From the “new age” section of the book store? A crystal ball perhaps?
You have to make a choice. In your left hand there’s pill that takes you to your everyday life, yourself and the way you have used to think and behave.
In your right hand theres exctacy pill that takes you to promised land…in your head.
If you want survive you have to take both pills, to understand that life is only projection of our thoughts and desires, You have to forget all the bad things, old lifestyle…you have to lose yourself to find yourself
Do everything different way than way that you have used to do.
Dont think, actions define life.
When I was a child
i used to dream about middle age castles, knights
starships
I played videogame consoles
I was a robot in dream of electronics
As a teenager i was an elf, archer
i was kracker of C-64 computer tapes
I was the one who was allways defending the weak ones
I was philosophical warrior
I was nerd in other peoples eyes
And one day 5 years ago i fall in love
everything changed
I understand that I shouldnt be the one who I have allways been
I broke the limitations of my behaviour, broke the silence in social situations
As 26 years old
as katana of samurai
as Alfa-waves of the mind
There is no border myself
or death
There’s only hope, despite the facts that are happening in world
Dont lose hope, dont think death.
Just sleep and wake up next morning and do everything differently than you have used to.
Say “hey” to your neighbour or slash eye to a girl in street.
It’s all in your head, reconstruction yourself, your behaviour, your thinking…feel it
New age? Maybe since my opinion is not thought of with an open mind and critisized, its not my worth time and effort. However that is your opinion as well… but i don’t belive my opion was out to hurt anybody… save you smart ass commets to yourself, its your type of negativity that i’m sure a lot of people have been pondering suicide from. But lets not get snippy self, why put a hole in your own boat… ok wait. i should be careful of what i say, i may be critisized and what not from readers. But i must stay on track. This is supposed to be full of postitive energy. Lets not be negative!
It could also very well be unwarranted concepts that people feel are forced on them.
I really have no problem with your first post except that suggesting that suicide is foolish to someone who believes life to be meaningless is kinda trivial. It’s foolish based on a system of meaning agreed but that’s not the case. Personally I believe existance to be bigger than humanity and its beliefs but that’s a different discussion.
My suggestion for moonface is to take up a religion if you don’t already have one. It seems like it would fill some ofl the holes in your life.
If you don’t want to use that one than the only meaning I know of that you can give your life is fun. Do what you like. If not for fun for something to keep your mind off of life.
Or you could do what I do and hope that we dread death for a reason other than the pain involved. 
About a year ago I was suicidal. My life was shit, I had no hope, I was a loser. But somehow (dont ask me how) I managed to get out of it. I actually found out I had a learning disorder (which is why I was so fucked up with school). I got help from people, starting doing better, and I felt my happiness coming back. I actually finished school three weeks ago, won a $100 award, went to visit my sister in sydney for two weeks. Now I’ve got a girlfriend, a job, and I’m doing well in school!
Isnt that a nice story…
My point is, life may be meaningless but it’s a lot better than nothing.
At least you’ll have the privilege of watching society being destroyed by itself, or something =)
You know what I just realised while telling you this?
Even if there is a God, God would be meaningless too… damn that sucks
My apologies if you think that this post was a waste of time…
OUCH!
I guess we aren’t going out to dinner Friday night, now, huh?
Damnit, self! Now look what you’ve done. You’ve ruined everything.
[sigh]
Moonface,
You haven’t called me so I assume that you are dead. Please, do as Mary Ann says and come back to this world. It is your duty, and if you’ll just have a little patience, everything will work out in the end when we reach a state of perfection. Besides, you chose this life, so don’t make yourself look like an ass and commit suicide.
Don’t lie, the angels are laughing at you as we speak, aren’t they?
Come back, Moon, you’re one of the smarter one’s around here, and as you have noticed, there is a shortage of intelligent people.
Leave the suicide for the ignorant weaklings.
“If God causes himself, then he must stand at a distance from himself. This makes God’s self into something contingent; i.e., dependent. But the contingent can not be God. Therefore there is no God. Or starting from the other end, if God is not contingent, then he does not exist, because existence is contingent.”- Hazel Barnes
I don’t know about “meaningless,” but I know God would be very confused about what to do with himself if he did exist.
[laughing]
ecstasy, stepping out of oneself; One must find the magic formula to turn all of this shit into gold. Trust me, it’s there. There are myriads of Worlds to explore, and only a scant few will be seen in this short life. “Live the life you’ve always imagined, go boldly in the direction of your dreams.” Henry David Thoreau
whaaa whaaa whaaa someone call the Whambulance. Grow some balls you fuckin pussy. Do you need a meaning to be happy? No. I don’t think there is any higher meaning to my life than the ones i make for it. But I am terrified of death because life is fun and I love living it.Why die? You are going to be dead for eternity, but you will only live for a 80 or so years. Why would you want it to be any shorter than that? You live in a kick ass world where there are so many different ways to find pleasure and happiness. You bring this depression on yourself.
I see no situation in which you would ever have to kill yourself. Even if you were crippled,blind and retarded.
Your philosophy is selfish and unjust. How can you enjoy life when there are others for whom it is impossible to do so. Consider a starving, suffering child who dies prematurely. You logical brain allows you to be empathetic. You are fearfully running away from your logical capacity here. How can you logically justify your happiness when there are others for whom it is imposssible to attain?
Subconsciouly you can bury the reality that your philosophy is unjust, perhaps excusing yourself because everything isn’t within your control. But is anything really ultimately controlled? Your deserving of happiness is not more so the the starving, suffering child.
You have two choices. You can subconsiously bury the reality of injustice, but you can never properly be happy because you will always be aware at a subconscious level that you are being illogical. It will filter through your life in some way. (Perhaps you are too young to realise some of the stresses life can bring your way. You might be in for a surprise one day, I think. By the sound of your abusive nature its got some humbling to do. Don’t worry - life itself will take care that. It often comes with age.) Or secondly, you can face the truth and try and resolve some sense from logic.
You call me a coward. On the contrary, I’ve been willing to face the truth, whatever it might be. Right now I have to admit, the truth doesn’t look too hot.
I’m afraid I’ve long since tried your philosophy. Been there, done that. It doesn’t work long term. Once you develop an understanding there is no going back.
leave suicide for those who have absolutely nothing good to live for- it is bad enough they must do it without you considering it. Think about all the good things in your life: I presume, since you are using the internet, you have a relative amount of money- a home and such. You have a great mind, should that really be killed of by a selfish wish for suicide?
Billy has a philosophy? Ah, nevermind, here it is-
If anything, Moon, you should stay alive just to kick Billy’s ass.
[bare with me, Billy, I’m doing this to keep Moon alive]
Now, into the pit with the both of you.
Let’s get ready to rumble…
Moonface,
Unjust? So what? If life was just it would be boring, uninteresting and unchallenging. Why should I feel ashamed that I am not poor and starving? Why do you long for this just world? The fact that you are typing on an internet philosophy board shows that you must have some money and that you are educated and probably intelligent.
MoonFace:"How can you enjoy life when there are others for whom it is impossible to do so. Consider a starving, suffering child who dies prematurely. You logical brain allows you to be empathetic. You are fearfully running away from your logical capacity here. How can you logically justify your happiness when there are others for whom it is imposssible to attain? "
I really don’t see any reason why I should care for them at all. Why should I be upset that they are starving? Just because they are human beings as well as me? That is unnatural. The genes in my body want me to pass on my OWN genes. Not the genes of this poor individual half a world away. It’s a social construction that I should care for this person. I wasn’t born with it.
So to sum up…I don’t bury the reality of unjustice…I embrace it…