When we look at a cell , it was destine to duplicate itself. Science must have a fate. And also all of the organized insitution .
When I think of choices , there is no fate. But chance.
cells produce white shirts with black stripes
-Imp
No such thing as fate.
Read the Blindwatchmaker by Richard Dawkins
Yes to both, but, liberally sprinkled with chance as well.
Without determinism, free willl would have no means of expression and no means to exercise itself. So, perhaps in that sense fate is bound up with and, is a necesarry consequence of free will. Of course this would imply that the Universe were somehow conscious and had “a choice.” 
Isn’t this pretty much what happened to Neo in The Matrix? He couldn’t escape his own destiny but, it was a destiny contingent upon his and everyone else’s choosing? And yes, once something has happened, you cannot go back and change it. This is why it’s called fate.
Fate is a projection.
It follows the thinking of teleos.
That something needs to have a destiny, or destination.
This is nonsense.
We impose the notion of goal or finality on our projects.
We choose it all.
The acceptance that such is a destiny of any kind is a chosen perception.
To believe that it is “handed to us” is also a choice, though a perfectly valid one.
Care to make any predictions? Such as the number 2 will most assuredly follow the number 1? That is fate, pure and simple.
I guess what I’m trying to say, is that there would be “no choice” without any ground rules or, a means by which to “guide” that choice. What’s the point in having a choice without it having an “effect” upon something in other words?
With: “Every action has to have had a cause” as the base I can reason this:
Every action has a reaction. But that action that caused a reaction had to have an action, so the first one was actually a reaction to something and so forth. Go back about 10 billion years, and thats the first cause, and everything else is a reaction.
Also: What is PRE-Destiny?
What you have described is determinism. Fate is usually a word that means something else…like when some stupid chick says “IT WAS MEANT FOR US TO BE TOGETHER!!!”…fate usually supposes some mystical force in the background with a plan for us. Determinism is cause and effect.
Only in Greek tragedies.
there was a time not to long ago where i could have sworn that certain situations were being projected especially for me. as clues or hints, or comfort. im not possitive if it was fate , but its possible. it wasnt like my reaction to these images (or situations) was fated . i chose how to react. just as one does when watching a movie.
Well surely if there can and only ever be one outcome, even when we choose, how else can you describe it, except in terms of fate? This is why I believe it’s possible to get glimpses of the future and whatnot, because it’s already been “mapped out,” so to speak.
I thought I already explained this…The word fate has to do with being part of some sort of PLAN…in determinism there is no plan since there is nothing conscious guiding the universe.
And I woudn’t go around telling people you can get glimpses of the future. That’s just cuckoo.
Why should YOUR theory of determinism be the right one isnt that a little arrogant. Surley people have the right to choose if they believe in destiny or not. From a personal point of view I dont think fate exists, we cant be sure what will happen tomorrow or in ten yeras time. However at THAT point we can look back and say was it destiny I ended up here…I dont think so.
I don’t understand this.
IMp| ?
Bill | no
Kris | both
Iacchus | yes
meddler | ?
duder | ?
Mucius | no
Galactic | ?
Old | no
THere is fate: 1 There is no such thing as fate: 3, and 4 unknowns
My reaction: I am starting to think perhaps my friend was right, that we determine our fate. Not fate determine us. For ex. If this girl is my future wife, it is fated I don’t need to know her. But how can it be fate if I don’t ask her out? Therefore,
We determine, or our choices in life determines our fate.
I think what he/she was referring to is prison “cells.” 
And yes, I believe in both free will and fate … or, determinism if you will.
Prison cells?
That is why, ph.d or staff philosophers are crazy as much as those preachers in church, trying to convert people to their beliefs. However, they are nice people. Some at least.
Yes, but if everything were strictly deterministic, everything would essentially be on auto-pilot, and there would be no need for consciousness would there? In fact, when taking a look at the Universe as a whole, there is not a single aspect that does not entail some form of awareness. For example, take a look at an atom. How does it hold itself together, without something to tell each particular aspect how to behave with the other? Doesn’t it in fact belie something which is highly interactive, even at this level? And, when you get right down to it, what else is consciousness, but simply a matter of being aware, of oneself and one’s surroundings. So, what else could it possibly suggest, except that the Universe was so-designed to sustain this whole interactive experience … what we would otherwise call consciousness.
What, the fact that I get glimpses of the future? Or, my telling folks about it?
It’s not MY theory of determinism. Its THE DEFINITION of determinism and I don’t know if it is true.
“Determinism: The world is governed by (or is under the sway of) determinism if and only if, given a specified way things are at a time t, the way things go thereafter is fixed as a matter of natural law.”
"There has also been a tendency, however, to confuse determinism proper with two related notions: predictability and fate.
Fatalism is easily disentangled from determinism, to the extent that one can disentangle mystical forces and gods’ wills and foreknowledge (about specific matters) from the notion of natural/causal law. Not every metaphysical picture makes this disentanglement possible, of course. As a general matter, we can imagine that certain things are fated to happen, without this being the result of deterministic natural laws alone; and we can imagine the world being governed by deterministic laws, without anything at all being fated to occur (perhaps because there are no gods, nor mystical forces deserving the titles fate or destiny, and in particular no intentional determination of the “initial conditions†of the world)."
Consciousness is an evolutionary adaptation. I don’t need to point out the obvious benefits of being conscious(I.E be able to plan ahead). Of course this does not say anything against determinism. This is a fact.