Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations

No, you did not research. You have some type of deity-tier autism or solipsism.

Much as l dislike leaving it to Google AI, which is a melting pot of everyone’s b/s and genuine truths, we can be sure that it will give an anti-Islamic bias.

Here’s Google AI on the matter:

Google AI Result:

Yes, castration of male slaves was practiced within various Islamic empires throughout history, primarily to create eunuchs for guarding harems, serving in palaces, or for administrative roles, despite often being deemed technically unlawful by strict interpretations of Islamic law

The demand for eunuchs was high, leading to a trade where many young boys were subjected to the procedure, with high mortality rates.

Key details regarding this practice include:

Practice vs. Law: While some Islamic jurists, such as al-Baydawi, considered castration a form of forbidden mutilation (consistent with certain Hadith), it was frequently practiced to meet the market demand for eunuchs.

Role of Eunuchs: Castrated slaves (eunuchs) were used as guards in harems, domestic servants, and for specialized roles, such as in the Abbasid Caliphate palaces or as palace officials in Al-Andalus.

High Mortality: The castration process, often performed on young boys, was brutal, with estimates suggesting up to 6 out of 10 boys died during the procedure.

Trade Origins: Slaves were often sourced from non-Muslim regions, including East Africa, and Eastern Europe (known as Saqaliba).

Specialized Slave Traders: Because Islamic law generally prohibited Muslims from castrating slaves, this task was

frequently carried out by merchants of other faiths before the slaves were sold into the Muslim world, such as Jewish merchants in Europe

or other middlemen.

Ask Google AI: did muslims castrate slaves

Answer:

  • Source of Eunuchs: Often, castration was

performed by Jewish merchants

Oh and lest we forget, the Qur’an in countless places calls for kindness toward slaves (cutting their privates off isn’t kind).
e.g.: Surat al-Nisa’ 4:36

Worship Allah alone and associate none with Him. And be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the poor, near and distant neighbours, close friends, needy travellers, and those bondspeople in your possession. Surely, Allah does not like whoever is arrogant, boastful.

I also once again must recommend Abu Amina Elias’s site, l think he is a Jewish convert to Islam. He may have slight Salafi leanings so as someone with a strong Sufi leaning it is quite something for me to say l would feel unworthy to even be in the same room as this person, his website is pure GOLD: Imam al-Nawawi on Kindness to Servants and Slaves

Specifically this hadith mentioned on that webpage:

The Prophet Muhammad (whose teachings complement the Qur’an) clarified this, stating: "Your slaves are your brothers whom Allah has placed under your authority. So, whoever has a brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats, clothe him with what he wears, and do not burden him with work beyond his ability

The entire point of being Muslim is to actually worship God between Love and Fear and castration is not the work of someone who loves or fears God. It is something Jews, Christians and Pagans would do. In fact possibly one of the first people to discover the Americas, besides the natives of Asiatic stock, was Admiral Zheng-He, a Chinese Muslim who was a eunuch, castrated by non-Muslim Chinese.

I’m sorry guys but you cannot burn the world

(or that scene i think in the same movie where a mother and her cradled baby are burned alive together with some soldier saying “un f___ing believable”)

and then facepalm where l say l have no problem with my religion permitting slavery. That is my religion and in the context of my religion it is done very well.

Incidentally you are a liar if you say there is slavery in Saudi Arabia today. You twist facts to make certain things classed as “Modern Slavery” e.g. being constrained to only work for one employer. I have visited Saudi Arabia as a pilgrim when l was 11 and saw no slaves. I did see a very high ranking African lady being carried on a palanquin by about 4 servants, that was an amazing sight.

I am not saying bring slavery into a secular country, that is a clash of civilisations and my religion can only be legitimate within an Islamic caliphate.

Speaking of what is proper in a secular nation, l notice some clearly treasnous remarks / inclinations on this thread. Remember the laws of your country, not to mention your loyalty.

Back to you @futureone - I mistakenly said you must have a high IQ because l found your writings on colour blending impenetrable. I now understand that you are what is technically known as an idiot-savant, you speak gibberish, you invent facts in the face of actual refutations, you still persevere.

You invented millions of slaves from nowhere. I swear to God you are a liar. You will now sink into the gooey sludge of which the Islamophobic trolls on this thread are the bulk. None of you has any real argments.

It’s disingenuous of @ProfessorX (absolute shyster, couldn’t possibly be a real professor, has zero academic inclination) to:

  1. Define slavery in modern terms, and then retroactively force that onto the Islamic world to then imply Muslims did anything like the transatlatnic slave trade
  2. Ignore all my reminders of the opneing arguments and also my counterarguments to his careless accusations of slavery
    e.g.
    Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #6 by LampAndNightingale
    Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #7 by LampAndNightingale
    Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #19 by LampAndNightingale
    Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #21 by LampAndNightingale
    Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #24 by LampAndNightingale
    Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #29 by LampAndNightingale
    Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #34 by LampAndNightingale

Instead, you try to change the topic to another question about whether slavery per se is justifiable here: Islam & Slavery - toward debunking Insidious Allegations - #33 by ProfessorX

  1. You have the gall to then accuse ME of not answering questions hahaha! Evolution is Actually Disproved (even though God & Atheism are Unfalsifiable) - #108 by ProfessorX
  2. Not to mention, within quick time, also accusing another chatter @Bob of doing the same:
  3. [quote=“ProfessorX, post:127, topic:84675”]
    You are changing my argument to make it easier for you to dismiss. Please don’t do that.
    [/quote]
  4. And after all your harmful lies and hypocrisy, you then - no joke - start a thread about how we should preserve “the spirituality of compassion” OMG OMG The spirituality of compassion (and why we should preserve it)

Yes, l see how compassionate and spiritual those hypocrites who accuse Islam of the utmost evil are.

Voltaire

: “If someone can make you believe absurdities, they can make you commit atrocities”

<— This is why l created this thread - because people like you - @futureone and @ProfessorX are dangerous, venomous. Your only saving grace is your utter incompetence and obvious slavery to pron. Your evil won’t spread beyond your humdrum personal sphere.

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There was no monolithic “Islamic empire” you just make stuff up, hallucinatory stuff.
The British were not as a whole Zionists.
Isaac Newton was said to be a grand master of the hypothetic Prieure de Sion secret society, if Baigent and Leigh are to be believed (l have huge difficulty accepting those authors on fiat)

I don’t remember saying Islam is evil, although that does sound like something I might say.

My point was about slavery and Islam. I already proved that point. You also reiterated my point when you admitted you wish you could still have slaves captured from war :joy:

Accusing Muslims of commercial slavery, aka slavery on an industrial scale, like the Transatlantic slave trade, and moreover, accusing them of castrating slaves (like other cultures did e.g. the castrati choir boys of the Vatican), is evil.

Again, l rebutted you here:

You had nothing to counter that.

And yes l wish l did have slaves. Perhaps. I don’t know how hard it would be to maintain them but l would chat to them a lot and only hit them if they messed with me. Problem? You napalming then facepalming is quite ironic. Don’t teach me morals.

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Ah yes, how FORTUNATE for the Greek Empire that Constantinople was toppled, that the Balkans were overran, that Europe was invaded, that women were raped, families murdered, and European children were sold into turd-world slavery.

Brilliant Moslem propaganda. So much for Truth.

And the biggest Lie of them all at the end.

Whatever l say, you say the opposite. No facts needed. In fact amplify your lies by 2x. 3x. :love_you_gesture:

Computers are fun aren’t they.

Troll harder, you’re clearly not serious.

You are no longer discussing the subject matter, not even referencing it. Goodbye. Peace :slight_smile: