Love is Tricky

What is love?
I think love is tricky because it is so ambiguous.
Aquinas distinguishes love in the sensitive appetite versus love in the intellect/will and natural love versus supernatural love.
The arts are filled with references to love.
There is a modern philosophy of emotions which has a vast literature, but which is more of an inquiry into the nature of emotions than the “What is Love” question, that we rather leave to songs and literature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I

"Haddaway’s “What Is Love” is a classic for at least three reasons: Its timeless, iconic, and instantly recognizable refrain “What is love?
Is it Baby don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me no more?”

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That song has been on repeat in my head lately. Now it will be back on loop.

I think the idea of love is different for each person. When one finds another who closest matches that idea, it is love.

In that sense, anyway.

How many of us even know how to love?”

Is that a good thing or bad :grin:

As a young man in the 1980s, I remember reading Erich Fromm’s theory of alienation, which resonates with the contemporary phenomenon of young people frequently asking, “What is love?” in pop culture.

At that time, people were experiencing a sense of alienation, feeling estranged from themselves and the world. They perceived their own actions as being controlled by external forces rather than as expressions of their authentic self. Fromm emphasised that, in modern society, this alienation is almost total, resulting in people experiencing themselves and others as objects rather than as individuals in meaningful relationships. This leads to a loss of true connection, including in the realm of love, where meaningful and productive relationships become difficult to achieve.

I adopted Fromm’s view of love as an active force capable of overcoming isolation and loneliness by fostering genuine connections between individuals. He argued that love involves growth, care, and unity — the kind of interpersonal fusion where two individuals genuinely invest in each other’s development. However, this kind of love is increasingly rare in an alienated world, where people often relate to each other superficially or instrumentally. My wife and I are told that we are lucky individuals, rather than being recognised for the investment we have made in our relationship.

I see the question ‘What is love?’ as raised by young people in popular culture as reflecting this alienation and loss of perspective on the true nature of love. They wrestle with its meaning because they are growing up in a society that often promotes non-productive, consumerist forms of relating rather than love as a creative, life-affirming force.

Having discovered how modernity’s alienation erodes the ability to form authentic, loving relationships, I feel I have been given a head start. Since then, I have come to view the frequent questioning of love among young people as a deep yearning to reconnect with a more truthful and productive understanding of human relationships, and to overcome the loneliness and isolation fostered by alienation.

This crisis of love in popular culture encourages reflection on what it truly means to love and be loved, moving beyond external images and the often-superficial portrayals marketed to young people. It exemplifies Erich Fromm’s insight that increasing alienation causes humanity to lose perspective on authentic, meaningful relationships, and on love as a vital, creative human power.

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I would like to officially recognize that intentional investment. You are both lucky in this day and age to each have found a mutually invested partner.

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That’s a good question. And the reason for reluctance to engage, for fear of hurting another in the attempt.

To love, perhaps, is to seek the way another wishes to be loved. Or if they wish to be loved at all.

Isn’t it strange, billions upon billions of people in this world, people everywhere, yet love is so hard to find.

It could be worse…

I think the mind can complicate things too, complicating otherwise simple connection.

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..I may be the only person on the planet that dislikes that song.. ah well :woman_shrugging: too.. brash.

Love.. a mutuality of spirits entwined into a single thought.

Whatever



Love is the law, but it is also a rebellious bird.

L’amour est enfant de Bohême,
Il n’a jamais jamais connu de loi.
Si tou ne m’aimes pas, je t’aime.
Si je t’aime, prends garde à toi!

(Love is the child of a bohemian/ it has never known of law/if you don’t love me, I love you/if I love you, beware!)

So love is the law, which does (thus) not itself follow any law.

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In Carmen the supreme diva of operatic femmes fatales, is so loaded with sexual imagery and the type of carefree mantra she lives by. “Love is a rebellious bird that no one can tame…”

There was something very appealing about a woman who just said, 'Here I am, I am woman, hear me roar."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrVLL7soS1U

Love is unconditional acceptance and unconditional sacrifice for another human being we care about whether it is romantic, friendship, or familial. Love is the closeness of long lasting social bonds.

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Wanting someone to love you for yourself — no matter what — is understandable. Yet this type of love might still seem like the stuff of movies, not something most people encounter in real life.

People aren’t perfect, and nearly everyone makes a few choices they regret.

There’s an important distinction between offering love and forgiveness and continuing to accept harmful actions. Sometimes unconditional love can make a person very unhappy.

It’s also important to understand you can love someone unconditionally without staying with them unconditionally.

If this is starting to look like unconditional love sounds a lot more complicated than you’d imagined, you’ve pretty much hit the mark.

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Interesting, you removing the word “nowadays”, but I think the lyrics from your vid sheds some light on love “nowadays”.

I wish that I could I let you love
Wish that I could let you love me
I wish that I could I let you love
Wish that I could let you love me
Say what’s the matter, what’s the matter with me?
What’s the matter with me?
Oh, I wish that I could I let you love
Wish that I could let you love me now

Oh, I wish, oh, I wish, oh, I wish, oh, I wish, I
Oh, I wish, oh, I wish, oh, I wish, oh, I wish, I

Maybe not. :confused:

Well written.

I was reading a religious (specifically Eastern Orthodox) book* my priest recommended to me on the way we should truly see pornography, and why lust and love should (as far as I know) not be correlated. I know OP was talking moreso about love specifically, but maybe this will help you understand the more '‘axiomatic’ , unfailing love that we truly desire. Not that I’d know anything about it.

I don’t know how religious the people here are but the book provides some good insights regardless of if you believe in Christianity or not:

“Do I sometimes objectify what and whom I meet? Do I use (God’s) created things for my own selfish purpose?”

(This next one is is thoroughly reworded by yours truly for brevity’s sake, though the work is not mine)

“To view a pornographic act with the purpose of gratification is an act of narcissism - a failure to venerate other person as an icon of Christ, as a human being with equal rights as yourself.”

“In pornography, we human beings take other human beings and use their images to feed our baser appetite in a manner that precludes any real encounter with them.”

  • *From Object to Icon: The struggle for spiritual vision in a pornographic world - written by Andrew Williams

Those are my two cents.

This reads like a true sucker. “Unconditional love” is a cliche used by cliche artists. But what else should be expected from an anonymous user with an alleged creep as their avatar.

How much conviction do you have in your ideas, really, posting anonymously?

Loving someone else despite whatever is the ultimate self-disrespect. I guess you would have to adopt such a stance, neglecting your family to promote personal fantasies of dictatorial power on a philosophy forum.

I have no family yet spend less time on here than you. And you lecture others on love? I’d rather have the family than the forum. I don’t even feel community here. You have a real family yet live here. Explain that.

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Trying so hard to fix a society that will never care.