And one might say that gives women an awful lot of power.
So, would you think getting beat up, or being robbed, is harmful only if, afterwards, someone tells you it is?
That is no more than conjecture. Women in our society have much more control over their own lives than before. That is part of what has many men worried…
Getting beaten up isn’t comparable to rape because getting beaten up has noticeable
damages and pain right way. With rape most women don’t even know when they are raped. Most women can’t even tell the difference between consensual sex and rape. Some women enjoy rape but deny the feeling because society says rape is wrong. I am sure rape is harmful, but I doubt its as harmful as society says it is.
You must be joking, right?
??? Uh, I’m pretty sure most women do know whether they want to be having sex. Believe it or not, it’s really not that difficult to distinguish between the two.
And this sounds like something a rapist would tell himself to rationalize his actions.
Let’s hope for your sake you never have to find out first hand.
Oh it was I do applaud that i just had to get offline for a bit. I could not comment before. =D> =D> I especially found the woman riding the penis quite good considering the nature of the discussion 
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Crap this has gotten wierd… I agree with AnitaS and Pandora… at this point its too hard to catch up. This thread have moved along down its own little street… its Miller time 
So a man has control because he can take sex without the burden? that’s not control.
Someday I will go to Japan to see that fertility festival myself where me and four Japanese women will ride the penis together.
( In my dreams of course. I bet the Japanese men get a kick out that festival every year. Lucky bastards.)
Which would you rather be;
I am a white male who does not live in the USA.
Violent crimes are statistically perpetrated by men and directed at other men.
Just a little research will find this out and this would not even include the vast quantity of hidden statistics.
Men are less likely to seek help for victimisation than women.
Sex is a very small part of the bigger issue.
edit: Mr Doom can I come with you and watch. I like to watch and have a camera…
You go to a fertility festival you won’t need to take just a camera , condoms are probably scarce there at that time as probably are all energy drinks and pills, Oh and vitamins would be a must along with some serious doses of penicillian Hmm, Peni(s)-cillian, Never thought of it that way before. Now we know why they really discovered it.
earthy, quote:
AnitaS I bow to your superior calmer abilities to deal with this one, Pandora’s razor sharp skills and Wonderer’s frankness should be enough to do it too. This one makes me want to do some serious anal raping with a broom handle and throttling at the same time. I would botch it.
A woman has to spend like a year producing a human organism in the womb, one of the largest factors in death of women is pregnancy complications, this couldn’t have been any easier, and obviously a great deal harder in hunter-gatherer societies where we spent 99.9+% of our time as a species. We know that in most species males compete with each other for females, we know that in normal hunter-gatherer societies females have some measure of choice, even if its horrible uneven by our modern standards. Sex carries a great risk of injury or infection.
So all of this, females are hugely more selective in choosing to have sex with other people than males (this has been supported by plenty of studies/surveys). So taking away that *choice ( a choice which determines the chances of survival in offspring) and forcing her through this highly dangerous shit and etc.
Should create psychological damage. and in fact, evolutionary predictions about which women should be the most psychologically fucked up, under which circumstances, seems to turn out to be true.
So shut your fucking mouth once in awhile before you make idiotic assumptions about the psychology of females. Of course, rape is traumatizing, if only because it takes away a choice, which has been over evolutionary time, very important for females to produce healthy offspring.
Maybe once in awhile a chick is too drunk and calls somthing ‘rape’ when its not what we traditionally think of rape. But heres the point, you could be in the middle of having sex with your wife of 20years, and if she tells you to stop, and you won’t, thats rape.
and you can be criminally charged as a rapist. So, strange scenerios aside that look less like rape, but still are, i’m sure what you say is bullshit.
You don’t hear them saying that, but that doesn’t mean the crime rate or psychological deviance rate in people with single fathers isn’t significantly higher than people who had two parents. Seems unlikely that many males would admit to being unable to control their children.
Plenty of children at the age of 14/15, are big/strong enough to beat their father up. Any real amount of authority that a father had over a mother would dissapear at that point. Unless you’re suggesting women can’t be as strict as men.
yet plenty of children go to their fathers to try and escape mommy’s rules. so, wrong again.
Women have been raising children for a long time now. I’m sure their success rates at least equal that of fathers, probably being adapted for it like they are and all that.
And as for men’s place in society and blah blah blah etc, its because we have like 40% more upper body strength, size for size, and significantly bigger than females, and evolved into a slightly different niche.
The sexual organ of males has some social significance, because its an element of sex, which is a huge element of human life, the same is true of female sexual organs. Other than that, you’re just barking nonsense.
Sure but only if you promise to help me make a Japanese porno with the film where we can make thousands of dollars in procedes on the internet.
Mr Doom, you set your standards too low… thousands of dollars???.. and you will need change your name (not very catchy).
No animals can be harmed in the making of the movie… I’m a vegetarian.
But all jokes aside: I agree with the post, Men do rule women with sex…
But if any woman or man thinks she/he can solve this issue then dream on…
Sex, rape, and sexual dominance are not the real problem here. They are just manifestations of a larger culture of violence and abuse.
Women have a 50% responsibly in raising the future perpetrators of violence and rape on this planet.
Or do some women simply adopt the victim and blame mentality?
It is convenient to blame others and if not others then blame yourself!
What ever happened to the realistic view and to take responsibility for ones own emotions?
If you have been raped then the best thing for you to do is to forgive the perpetrator… not for their sake but for your own sake.
If you cannot do this then get help and work on the forgiveness.
By the way… My ex-partner was raped and I have several friends/family that have been raped (that I know of) and/or abused (male and female).
One of the reasons why I broke up with my ex-partner was that she could not trust me and she thought I would rape her or be violent towards her.
I still love her very much and would love to get back together with her and I would even want to grow old with her… but I did not rape her (even though I am a man) and I cannot be responsible for the fact that she was raped. I supported her but I could not take the blame (the perpetrator is walking the streets and was never charged).
Forgiveness is a very difficult thing and it is very easy to be drawn into a culture of blame.
What I find interesting is the different use of terms:
Humour is also a wonderful thing and it does not indicate a lack of sensitivity but rather a way of coping… 
I have a real big issue with forgiveness on such things.
I agree, Kris.
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If your expectation was that your ex forgive the rapist, then I can see where things might not have worked out between you. Unless you have been through it yourself, you have no idea what she went through. You are right in that she should not blame you, but can you understand her fear and mistrust? Rape does not just impact the victim, as you can attest.
But even the existence of rape doesn’t establish the claim that men rule women with sex, unless the claim is actually that a minority of men rule a minority of women with sex while committing rape. And that’s a pretty narrow scope.
Aye, the men that have done harm to me have left a mark. I cannot forgive. I can understand, which I have learned to do. but, I cannot forgive. You cannot forgive what you can still feel. what happened to me was when I was a teen,. I was the winner in the conflicts but, i was the loser also. I can understand the whys. I can understand the hows… i did nothing sexual nor dressed sexual, I was just me. All the philosophy and pyschology in the world can not help me forgive. it can only help me understand. If you expect a female to forgive then you ask too much. if someone put a knife into your body and mutilated you for no other reason then satisfaction , Could you forgive them? could you leave it behind?
A man will exact revenge against another if the man harmed a female that is his / in his family.The man that exacts revenge only does it because the female is his, Not because harm was done. Women tend to differ in this. At least western/ Euro women do. Blood is not an issue with women of these cultures. women see another woman being attacked she will do something more often then not, depending upon her personality, etc…
This whole thread is summed up in these words:
When men think with their heads women are on the same level, when men think with their dicks women are on a lower level and belong below their knees. Men will use physical force and physical intimidation overtly and covertly to make women do what they like and want. Men understand the penis has a history of power and pride. The vagina has a history of powerlessness and shame. The relationship between the sexes is always a relationship of master/slave. Even when men allow women control it is only temporally before they revert to physical and sexual violence to get their way.
Women have the power to take this pride away. Raping a woman does not establish a complete control over a woman. It serves only as a temporary fix for a man’s self-esteem and in its action, it functions as is a reflection of his own powerlessness before women (or what they stand for in his eyes). Sometimes, when women reject, they really reject and there is nothing else a man can do (other than resorting to temporary physical control, which, in my view, could be an equivalent to throwing a hormonal tantrum, or hitting the head against a brick wall in an attempt to crumble it).
A rejected man who rapes a woman is not a master and does not achieve “mastery” over a woman other than temporary physical control over her body, a(pathetic)n act that will inevitably bring him back to the awareness of him being “rejected” and powerless.
If you cannot forgive the perpetrator then do not… it is that simple.
But… if he is no longer in your life then where will this non-forgiveness go… it has to go somewhere?
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I never mentioned it to her or even expected it of her. I would never do such a thing to her. 
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Note that I said … “best thing for you” and “not for their sake but for your own sake”.
You have the freedom to carry this hate (non-forgiveness) around with you as much as you want to… but what will it achieve?
Forgive yourself (guilt plays a huge part) and learn to forgive the other (this is a huge huge huge ask).
Hate, non-forgiveness and blame are great survival techniques, but they will not result in a happy life (we all know this in our minds and in our hearts).
This is not a male speaking… this is simply part of the healing process… any healing process, for any trauma.
This does not invalidate your feelings as a victim, in fact it is quite the opposite… the problem is that the forgiveness process of yourself and of others is a very painful process… very very very very very very very painful. To forgive yourself and the rapist will most likely be worse than the rape itself… as you will need to re-live the experience many times.
This is the biggest task that a victim can possibly do, in fact it is so hard and painful that most do not and can not go through with it, but there are also many positive role models and survivors out there. They are inspiring!
Seeking help is the first step and seeking a positive role model is the Second step. If you seek help and do not have a positive role model then the task is very difficult indeed.
A social worker once said to me “Where there is change there is loss. Where there is loss there is Pain. Where there is pain there is suffering.”
If my view is causing pain then I will be more than happy to shut up on this issue.