My “Burning Bush-like” encounter with God

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So as not to derail Kropotkin’s “blog” post (“Bacon’s idols that impact us today”) any further than what I have already done, I have taken the liberty of answering Gary Childress’s questions to me in this new thread.

Did you read all seven sections of the OP I posted on the PN forum at the following link?..

…I thought I was pretty thorough in describing the overall experience, especially in section five, of which I am going to copy and paste here…

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…the instant I finished the last word on the last page, I put my pencil down and looked up, and at that very moment, God entered the room.

To be clear, it wasn’t a visual manifestation.

In other words, other than a slight optical distortion at the point of entry on the far wall near the ceiling, I could not literally see God with my eyes.

Nevertheless, I was made vividly aware of his presence in what can only be described as a modern-day version of the alleged “burning bush” event presented in the Bible.

Somehow, from that specific and stationary point of entry, I could sense a tangible (dynamic/living) force reaching out and enveloping (saturating) the room and everything in it.

(Note: the only thing I can think of to describe what was happening is that it felt as if the eye of God’s mind was “focusing-in” and grasping the very substance of the room and my body.

I’m talking about something similar to how our own mind’s eye can focus-in and grasp the mental image of an apple, for example, in order to examine or manipulate its features in some way.)

The extending essence of what appeared to be God’s central consciousness (God’s “I Am-ness”) seemed to surround me and the chair I was seated in and gently cradle me in a manner that can only be described in the purely metaphorical terms of being “held in the palms of invisible hands.”

It was a very “warm” and “magnetic” (gently undulating) sensation.

Furthermore, the enveloping force, without making any audible sound, seemed to radiate with the power of THUNDER, which made it feel as if God’s extensive presence stretched out into the clouds and beyond.

As you might well guess, I was somewhat taken aback (gobsmacked) by this experience.

My eyes were transfixed on the focal point of the power and I began mentally asking:

“…What do you want?…”

It was all so overwhelming, and the energetic presence of this living Entity seemed to be so disruptive of the very fabric of the house, that I felt certain my parents would surely be awakened by this.

However, I quickly sensed that this was not meant for them to perceive.

Then suddenly, I noticed that God was releasing his mental grip on my body and his presence was slowly withdrawing from the room. But before he had withdrawn completely, a word with the glowing brilliance of neon was “implanted” before the eye of my mind, and that word was…

“APOCALYPSE”

I was immediately compelled to reach for the Bible that was sitting on the case next to me and turn to the book of Revelation, because, at that time, that is what the word “apocalypse” meant to me.

And after a few minutes of reading chapters that made no particular sense to me, I finally focused on the ninth and tenth chapters - chapters whose clarity of meaning seemed to be openly revealed to me and somehow pertinent to my state of mind.

And that was especially true of the tenth chapter, and more specifically, the seventh verse:

“…in the days of the voice of the seventh angel when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished…”

At this point, the room had returned back to its normal state, for the dynamic, matter-grasping “presence” of what appeared to be God’s central consciousness (again, God’s “I Am-ness”) was gone.

So just get a sense of this now…

…At the very moment I lay the pencil down from writing a detailed thesis of what I believed shed a clarifying light on the mystery of God and creation, I am literally visited by an incorporeal Entity who,…

…after making it quite clear to me that the universe is its mind, and that it was the owner and willful controller of the material fabric from which my body was constructed,…

…then leads me to read a verse of prophecy from Revelation that refers to a point in time on earth when “…the mystery of God should be finished…”

(Continued in next post)

I’m not sure I can explain it much better than ^^^that^^^.

Gary Childress wrote:

Why do you think it was God? Why not some as yet unknown super creature that was also created by God?

That’s a good question, Gary. And I cannot know (or say) for 100% certainty that it wasn’t some “super creature” that was just messing with me. However, all of the epiphanies I experienced in the months leading up to that encounter (described earlier in the OP) seemed to be preparing me for the realization that it was indeed the Creator of this universe that visited me.

And furthermore,…

(and extremely ironic in light of the cosmic theory I am attempting to convey)

…one of the revelations that accompanied the “event” is that humans must never be allowed to know (with irrefutable certainty) the absolute truth of their ultimate and eternal destiny for fear of them being tempted to seek it out prematurely,…

…something of which I tried to encapsulate in the following illustration from my book…

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Indeed, even the Bible loosely hints at the necessity of keeping the truth of our eternal life hidden from us…

AI Overview wrote:

Genesis 3:22 records the concern that Adam and Eve might eat from the Tree of Life after already eating from the Tree of Knowledge, saying: “And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”. This led to their expulsion from the Garden of Eden.

Now of course I am vividly aware of the fact that this all sounds like the typical (and delusional) blathering’s of one of innumerable humans who have claimed to have encountered God.

However, all I ask is that you judge all of this based on the plausibility (or perhaps lack thereof) of the highly detailed theory I’ve been offering on these forums over the years, which is taken from my book,…

The Ultimate Seeds - An Illustrated Guide to the Secret of the Universe* **

…and not on the questionable mental status or motives of the person who wrote the book.

* (You can get the general gist of the book on my website at the following link: http://www.theultimateseeds.com/ )

** (“…In this work the author sets forth an entirely new mythology, one that is equal parts scientific and mystical…The sheer amounts of time and thought that went into this book are breathtaking…” – From a judge in the Writer’s Digest 16th Annual International Self-Published Book Awards)*

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I’ve had psychoses that were similar in mystical quality and impact (at least until I was “stabilized” on meds). I guess God must have visited me a few times. Either that or they were part of a psychiatric brain disorder. Maybe I should go off my meds so God can speak to me some more?

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We’ve all had em. Shit has happened while i was on coke that blew my mind. But the point is this: if there is ‘something more’, gods, devils, spirits, ghosts… they’re all fucking with you. Deceptive, confusing, or terrifying for some people. This is the nature of the interaction with whatever it is that’s got you trippin.

Now, if this thing has any intelligence, it now becomes malevolent or incompetent by fucking with you. If it’s benevolent, then it’s incompetent or powerless to obtain its goal without fucking with you… without doing it that way. For instance, blah blah god can’t reveal himself because you can’t know he exists… you gotta have faith for some mysterious reason blah blah. But then this means he couldn’t have done x an easier way and spared you the grief by doing so.

The relationship between the human being and the ‘spirit’ world is before anything else an object of suspicion and distrust. But when we imagine these things being intelligent beings and not just crude forces, the elements of non-omnipotence, incompetence, and/or malevolence are added.

Anything that hides from you is your enemy and not to be trusted, regardless of its intent. That is the law of the cosmos.

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So then, like me, you were compelled to spend the rest of your life creating books, illustrations, and a video lecture series based on the “impact” of what your earlier psychoses revealed to you. Is that about right, Gary?

Cleary, you haven’t the slightest interest in exploring the deeper realms of reality, nor can you imagine what that would even entail.

Why are you on a “philosophy” forum?

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As you have already proven many times in the past, you haven’t the slightest clue as to what you are talking about.

And I’m still waiting for you to show me that you understand my theory in such a way that will allow you to refute it.

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I have ignored you for a long time since you drew a cartoon to belittle Allah, the God of the Universe. However, while glancing at the site offline l notice you were speaking about this topic, i.e. that the God of the Universe has appeared in your house.

I notice you are still drawing cartoons.

I notice these cartoons are still confusing as ever.

I notice you had an experience and your connecting it with your existing religion seems haphazard, inorganic, forced. Sorry, but it’s fair that somebody tells you this.

I’m not here to put you down. I wanted to ask: I notice you have seen something - can you more concisely describe the visuals? Also: when did this occur? Within the past year?

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Camouflage is a tool of predator & prey alike… but… even predators… if they are persons… can flip the script and love themselves, and share it with those who write them off as enemies.

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You can know. Faith is about trust.

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That’s how you know it is a false revelation. Read the whole Bible. We’re supposed to seek the eternal now. We’re supposed to bring the kingdom to earth now. You are settling for mud pies in the slums when what is offered to you is more like a holiday at sea.

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Which of my cartoons “belittled Allah”?

Also, notice where Islam is situated in the hierarchy of the evolution of humanity’s perception of God (Allah) in this cartoon…

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Indeed, I suggest that Islam came along to set the Abrahamic religion back on the right track - away from the Trinity nonsense.

LampAndNightingale wrote:

I’m not here to put you down. I wanted to ask: I notice you have seen something - can you more concisely describe the visuals?

I think that most of the visuals. such as this one, for example…

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…speak for themselves.

Is it not obvious to you what the illustration suggests about Allah (the Creator and owner of the universe) and of our relationship to Allah?

LampAndNightingale wrote:

Also: when did this occur? Within the past year?

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What is it that you don’t understand about the implications of being the literal offspring of God, created in God’s image?

See (and ponder) the unimaginably wondrous implications of the metaphorical image I uploaded for LampAndNightingale in my post just prior to this one (the one that looks like a watermelon filled with the seeds of itself).

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Thank you for replying. I meant the cartoon where you have Allah calling for beheading, and the deity that you favour, telling everyone to just “Chill”.

Ok so are you saying, you saw that one eyed thing in your room?

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When you have regulated, come back here and read my reply to you and directly respond to my words.

Make sure you’re getting enough sleep, drinking plenty of water, not eating a bunch of junk food, and practicing daily hygiene.

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Ah, you mean this one…

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This is puzzling to me, for I thought you would be thrilled to notice that I placed the inconceivable (non-humanoid) visage of Allah above Christianity (at least in terms of, again, steering away from the Trinity nonsense).

And what do you mean “…the deity that you favour…”?

If you had made the slightest effort to analyze the illustration, then you would realize that all of humanity’s feeble attempts to depict Allah (including mine) fall short of the mark.

However, technically, the depiction of the deity that I favor resides at the top of the concentric circles (the one that says “…enough already!…” in response to all of our lame [yet ever-evolving] efforts to visualize that which cannot be accurately visualized from our current perspective).

LampAndNightingale wrote:

Ok so are you saying, you saw that one eyed thing in your room?

Good grief, doesn’t anyone read what we write in our posts?

If you re-read my initial post to Gary Childress at the very top of this thread, you will notice that I said that I couldn’t “see” anything, and that I could only vividly “sense the presence” of God in the room with me. And that the “EYE” (eye–con) that I use in my illustrations is just my feeble attempt at creating a visualizable representation of what it was that seemed to be focusing-in and grasping the fabric of my body (or, in other words, the “EYE” of God’s mind, which, I suggest, is not unlike the eye of our own mind).

Indeed, if we are truly created in God’s image, then some of what we are (of what our minds / souls are) can be turned around and applied to God.

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You said…

To which I ask - what is false about a revelation that suggests that it would probably be a bad idea if humans were presented with a “trans-dimensional doorway” such as this…

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…and then told (by God, no less) that all you have to do is step across the threshold of that doorway…

(a euphemism for finding a quick and painless way of committing suicide)

…and (without any negative consequences) you will be transformed into the same glorious form as God - living forever in a higher context of reality that would make life on Earth seem like some kind of hell in comparison?

What do you think humans would do if given that choice?

What do you suppose these folks…

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…would do?

Indeed, what would you do if presented with that option?

And the point is, that that scenario would basically be the consequence of what would happen if God were to reveal the absolute and ultimate truth to us.

So, it is you, my dear Ichthus77, who is “…settling for mud pies in the slums…” if you think that we’re supposed to “…seek the eternal now…” (whatever the heck that means - care to explain?). Or, “…bring the kingdom to earth now…”. And then what???

First of all, how would we do that, and, secondly, for how long would this so-called “kingdom” on Earth last?

Would it thrive for a mere one-thousand years as mentioned in the Bible?

What happens after the thousand years is up, when, in fact, eternity will still be looming before us in a vision of endlessness that defies imagining?

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threshold…I was thinking that word recently. When I think it, it has to do with things like pain threshold.., oh yeah, and physics… For example, Leibniz talked about something along the lines of reaching a probabilistic threshold in order to experience some kind of quality or whatever, I can’t remember the details right now… and I see other people writing things or creating YouTube videos on physics, and it reminds me of that.

Seek the eternal now… a.k.a. store up your treasures in heaven… don’t prioritize physical possessions that will pass away, but treasure the kingdom that lasts forever… bring the kingdom to earth as it is in heaven by living as loved so it can multiply to everyone, rather than keeping that love hidden and hoarded to ourselves: Matthew 5:14-16, 6:10, 19-21, Luke 10:25-37 (& basically everything else Jesus ever said). That’s now.

Don’t walk through any transdimensional doorways—Jesus did not pray for us to be taken out of the world (John 17:15). Read the whole Bible. Read several commentaries and systematic theologies regarding eschatology.

“To live is Christ and to die is gain” (Philippians 1:20-25) is the only passage I can think of that is anywhere near relevant to what you are talking about. Jesus accepted his “fate” in silence (Isaiah 53:7, NT). Socrates took the Hemlock offered him. Paul was beheaded under Nero according to Eusebius. Revelation 20:4 is a thing.

Stop doing hallucinogenics if you haven’t yet. Be sober minded. (1 Thessalonians 5:6, etc). Hold me to this, too.

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Don’t worry, people like him and PK and Carleas already know for absolute certainty that you are crazy and your experience was clearly not real. That is their position. They KNOW this for 100% certainty and zero doubt (despite not being there and not actually having any way to know whether or not your experience was in fact real).

Why bother discussing it with someone like that?

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People who claim to know things they already know they do not know, is very annoying.

It is one thing to be reasonably skeptical and claim that you don’t believe something. It is another thing entirely to have zero humility or intellectual honesty by claiming to know something you already know that you cannot possibly know.

Somehow this ethos has pervaded the modern world. The arrogant closed-mindedness, hubris and condescending elitist attitude that dismisses anything outside of its own personal experiential bubble of understanding. Very disappointing to see humans reduced to such a state. But even more annoying to try discussing anything serious with them. Their go-to defense is pretending not to know things they already know, like pretending not to know that they already know that they have no actual way of knowing whether or not your experience was real, yet they just sit there and claim to know that it is not real. Just like Carleas with his “there are no ghosts” nonsense.

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You can know truth and it will set you free ProfessorX.

You ain’t vibrating matter nor the varying frequency electromagnetic binary energy waves emitted from it which your physical body antenna/processor machine picks up and converts into sounds;visions and sensations which you interpret.

You are still a “prisoner of consciousness” who exists because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist.

+=- and -=+ philosophy and science has been proven to be false because you can’t cancel yourself out.

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Being lied to by a flatterer is a real experience… to be wary of.

…just leading with my Trump card.