Born of the flesh means from a mom and dad. Born of the spirit means an entirely new way of framing your identity/origin in reality. See where Jesus talks about who are his father, mother, brothers. His life was lived in the body, and he resurrected in the body. See my last reply.
Atheists and Theists agree that humankind is responsible for all the atrocities that have happened or will happen throughout history and agree that if a devil god exists then he is responsible.
The bible is in agreement with atheists and theists because it does say that a devil god is in control of the physical world.
Why does it have to be God that decides and polices what we consider to be moral? Why all the outsourcing of moral responsibility to a greater entity? Why don’t we take responsibility for that shit ourselves?
This is expressed on here again, and again, and again, God is not just or good because bad things happen, and humans do bad stuff.
Well humans, try taking full responsibility for your own shit.
That would be my answer, if I was God.
Humankind is incapable of determining moral law absolutes.
God has to do it.
The bible says he has in the Ten Commandments.
The bible also says that no individual can keep these moral laws perfectly throughout their life so no one can enter heaven,
We know that force ABSOLUTES exist in the cosmos because it’s impossible for attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force absolutes to be cancelled out.
So there is a direct connection between force absolutes in the physical world and science.
Force absolutes that mainstream scientists falsely claim cancel out which is precisely why all of their theories have failed and will continue to fail if thy continue to insist that force absolutes don’t exist in science…..yes they do exist and have always existed.
Bullshit. That’s a complete cop-out, it’s lazy and it’s ludicrous. Of course humans can take full responsibility for moral behaviour, and they had better learn to do so or their time is running out.
I don’t care what the Bible says, because it has said those things for a loooong time, and how has it all worked out? The Bible is a confusing, hypocritical mess. It is a product of it’s time, written by humans when we knew literally nothing about nature, the planet and the cosmos. Don’t come thumping your Bible here, it is next to worthless, apart from the teachings of the Prophet in the New Testament.
As usual, I don’t know what you are talking about, because you don’t explain anything about your ideas, you just endlessly repeat the same cryptic statements ad-infinitum. Try expressing it in clear English, can you do that? If not then hmm, might be back to the drawing board?
Humankind invents its own moral laws to suit itself.Moral laws that change like the wind with each passing year.
We are not concerned about variable laws …..we are concerned about fixed laws that have always been in place.
My philosophy and science is totally clear.
Why the hell would many people want to take responsibility when they are guaranteed a wonderful afterlife?
Who says you are guaranteed a wonderful afterlife?
If you don’t keep the law then you go to prison.
What world are you living on? You go to prison even if you keep the law… and sometimes twice!
In a wicked world you do.
Why are they depending on a wonderful afterlife? Why do they need that “promise” to lead ethical, responsible lives?
I re-iterate, we seriously need to start taking responsibility for our own shit. Whether God exists or not is completely irrelevant. It’s OUR planet, OUR lives, OUR children. We are responsible for it all. All of it.
It’s really easy to implement, all you have to do, as an individual, is start taking responsibility and stop theorising about what moral framework God might have.
But it’s easier not to take responsibility, and for many, God is the perfect excuse for that.
Because most people are too dumb and malignant for that? Seriously, have you met people before?
The bibles teachings are perfect….even if you don’t believe in God.Why do you think we now have atheists wanting biblical moral standards back even though they still don’t want to believe in God? Its because they can see where the world is heading without them.They can see where the world his heading when left to man’s understanding of how things should be.
No, they are polarised. All beliefs and ideologies have been completely compartmentalised and separated, there’s no crossover anymore, even of ideas. Everything opposes everything else.
I believe in God, and the Prophets, but it really stops there, at the core, all of the further man-made dogma is ridiculous to me, and holds no interest. Is that so I can somehow evade the moral obligations imposed? Quite the opposite, I regard myself to have higher moral standards than most Christians, for example, because, for Christians, if it’s not in the Bible, then it’s not part of their moral code. Who do you think I offend the most with my own beliefs? Believers or atheists?
I’ve met a lot of people, from all walks of life. But I tend not to indulge in resignation about the human condition, it’s too easy to say: “People are too dumb and malignant..”, that’s nihilism, plain and simple. Also, the statement is not true, because people are not dumb, most people I have met have very specific talents, and they are usually very skilled in that area, maybe you’re just confusing people who don’t agree with you with those who are “dumb”?
Man will come up with any excuse to avoid the reality of God…even invent his own science and morals which is precisely what he has done.
You’re living in a fantasy land. After 5000 years of nothing ever working, one does see that the problem is with average human nature itself.
That’s lazy and vague, not even worth answering.
We know how wicked man thinks….he will even lie to himself by the claim “I don’t exist” not realising that he needs to exist to claim it.
No, it’s not. Explain it at a fundamental level to a layman without relying on specific terminology or symbology. Express it in clear English.
An AI could have done the above task very easily. Can you?
You are a “prisoner of conscience” Niall.
My philosophy and science is totally sound….find fault with it.