My “Burning Bush-like” encounter with God

[promethean75]

“That’s because everyone is masking themselves” - The Itch

It’s so excruciatingly tacky when you do that crap. You try to convince everyone that they really do believe in god and that they’re being childish and immature by pretending they don’t. What makes it so excruciating is that YOU are the childish and immature one… but you can’t know this like we do.

And shirley nobody here is wearing a mask. No, these people really do believe the stuff they say. Moreover, there’s nothing about themselves that they’d have to mask because nothing about them makes them contemptible to the rest… so they need not hide.

[Atla]

@formeruser12

It was very clear. What are you on about asking me what I’m on about? Please elaborate. Provide detail, if you like.

You said attempts like capitalism and communism don’t count. But those are exactly the kind of attempts that we are currently capable of. That’s my point.

@formeruser12

I agree with that, but I don’t think there is any problem with human nature as such, it’s intrinsic to us as a species, it’s more what we agree is acceptable behaviour, within the bounds imposed by human nature and instinct. Apparently the Muslims are quite realistic in that regard. Doesn’t have to be long, detailed and complicated, or even written down, just agreed upon. Children will naturally learn it without even having to be taught.

That’s a possible escape from aggressive tribalistic tendencies, but even tribalism has it’s merits, and can’t be blamed for everything. Group cohesion is always important, as we are among the most socially dependent animals on the planet.

Human nature is too tribalistic to reach global agreement. Should we all convert to Islam, believe in Allah and hope that the world won’t fracture into competing Muslim blocs? (Don’t we already have two major competing Muslim blocs?)

[formeruser12]

@Atla

You said attempts like capitalism and communism don’t count.

No, I didn’t. I listed them among things we have tried. Do I need to find what I said, or are you satisfied with that?

@Atla

Human nature is too tribalistic to reach global agreement. Should we all convert to Islam, believe in Allah and hope that the world won’t fracture into competing Muslim blocs? (Don’t we already have two major competing Muslim blocs?)

This is my personal opinion, I am not taking sides or subscribing to anything:

I think those competing blocs are purposefully fuelled and stoked by the west. Islam is a practical religion, and I think a lot of people are starting to work that out, by just finding out what it has to say. Is it loaded with dogma? Of course, unfortunately, but it seems more natural and adherable than other Abrahamic religions. It doesn’t bother me at all if people discover Islam, I’ve always got on quite well with most Muslims, online and in person.

[abc1231 (Jupiter123)]

There are no flaws in +/-=+/- philosophy science Niall.The cosmos and all matter within it is vibrating because it expanding and contracting in equal measure.It not just expanding as mainstream delusional scientists claim.

[formeruser12]

@abc1231

There are no flaws in +/-=+/- philosophy science Niall.

Couldn’t tell you Jupiter, the concept has never been defined properly, so it’s impossible to know. You might even be right, but who is going to understand exactly what you mean, which is a basic requirement, to confirm your beliefs?

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

@promethean75

“That’s because everyone is masking themselves” - The Itch

You’re lucky I even saw that. Not sure how. But just in case you do that elsewhere & I didn’t reply … now you know why.

It’s your nucleus.

[abc1231 (Jupiter123)]

It has been defined properly Niall.

Attractive and Repulsive electromagnetic force absolutes are balanced out in the cosmos.

[formeruser12]

@abc1231

Attractive and Repulsive electromagnetic force absolutes are balanced out in the cosmos.

That’s not a definition Jupiter. Just not at all. And anyway, how can such forces be absolutes? Do you mean the laws that govern them, or are the forces themselves in an absolute state?

[Atla]

@formeruser12

No, I didn’t. I listed them among things we have tried. Do I need to find what I said, or are you satisfied with that?

You said we literally tried nothing.

Actually we tried capitalism, communism, many religions for thousands of years, some newer philosophies and so on. And yet still here we are, the world can end any day in nuclear holocaust.

@formeruser12

This is my personal opinion, I am not taking sides or subscribing to anything:

I think those competing blocs are purposefully fuelled and stoked by the west. Islam is a practical religion, and I think a lot of people are starting to work that out, by just finding out what it has to say. Is it loaded with dogma? Of course, unfortunately, but it seems more natural and adherable than other Abrahamic religions. It doesn’t bother me at all if people discover Islam, I’ve always got on quite well with most Muslims, online and in person.

My personal opinion is that the antagonism between sunnis and shias goes way back. The West has been just massively adding to it in the last century, exploiting it.

And are you willing to convert to Islam and force everyone else you know to do the same, believe in its god and dogmas?

[abc1231 (Jupiter123)]

The attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS that exist between all spinning particles which make up all matter are balanced out by the formula N/S=N/S.The science is defined.This is the only way binary data can be produced in the cosmos.My philosophy and science is totally sound.Mainstream science claims that these force absolutes cancel out….No they don’t.

The spin speed of the particles is what determines the frequency of the interactions and the amount of energy emitted which contain unique binary data characteristics specific to the matter type.

You don’t need mainstream sciences mythical forces to explain reality.

[formeruser12]

@Atla

Actually we tried capitalism, communism, many religions for thousands of years, some newer philosophies and so on. And yet still here we are, the world can end any day in nuclear holocaust.

If the underlying structure is flawed, you can build upon it as many times as you like, the result is always going to be the same; at least as flawed as what’s underneath. Ask any builder. There’s a new definition that fits the definition of madness. In modern times, the previous 300 years, let’s say, we have certainly not been very open minded regarding systems of Government, despite the number of countries there are in the world, not much has been tried, and capitalism doesn’t tolerate any of them anyway without morphing them into itself, so that doesn’t help much.

@Atla

And are you willing to convert to Islam and force everyone else you know to do the same, believe in its god and dogmas?

No, I’m not willing, I’ve described why in much detail. As far as I know, they don’t force it on anyone, I’ve never encountered it, at least.

[Atla]

@formeruser12

If the underlying structure is flawed, you can build upon it as many times as you like, the result is always going to be the same; at least as flawed as what’s underneath. Ask any builder. There’s a new definition that fits the definition of madness. In modern times, the previous 300 years, let’s say, we have certainly not been very open minded regarding systems of Government, despite the number of countries there are in the world, not much has been tried, and capitalism doesn’t tolerate any of them anyway without morphing them into itself, so that doesn’t help much.

Yeah because that’s the best humans can do. Even now the world is heading down, not up.

[abc1231 (Jupiter123)]

The world has been taken in by BS scientists and their mythical forces.

[seeds]

@GaryChildress

If you say so, then it must be so. No one can argue with you either so I see little point in continuing with you.

Gary, I am absolutely delighted to have people argue with me over the merits (or lack thereof) of my theory, which, again, according to a judge in the Writer’s Digest 16th Annual International Self-Published Book Awards…

“…is equal parts scientific and mystical…”

And the point is that rather than you accusing me of being a hapless and clueless victim of some sort of psychosis,…

(which, is clearly a case of you “projecting” upon me what you have been a victim of)

…how about you argue instead…

(as in offer a valid point-by-point refutation)

…against what I am proposing in my “Ultimate Seeds” theory?

For example, I have proposed (like Bishop Berkeley) that the universe is the MIND of a higher consciousness.

And if that is possibly true, then there must be something in the scientific quest to discover what the suns and planets (and our bodies and brains) are made of that would suggest that “physical” matter - at its most fundamental level - is indeed “mind-like” in nature.

And it just so happens that that is precisely what quantum physics is implying.

Quantum science implies…

(at least to someone who is not completely ensconced in a “…shut up and calculate…” state of mind)

…that all matter throughout the universe seems to be created from an infinitely malleable (holographic-like / informationally-based) substance that is capable of being formed into absolutely anything “imaginable” - just like the substance from which our own thoughts and dreams are created.

And the point is, Gary, that regardless of how and why I came to that conclusion…

(whether it be via some sort of psychotic episode, or from ingesting entheogenic substances, or from a divinely inspired revelation)

…how about you refute that observation by giving me your own well-thought-out reasoning as to why it is impossible for matter to be “mind-like” in nature?

Now ^^^that^^^ would be a case of someone (you) actually ”arguing” with me, as opposed to simply appealing to the fallacy of incredulity…

AI Overview:

The personal incredulity fallacy occurs when someone dismisses a claim as false simply because they find it difficult to understand, unbelievable, or contrary to their personal experience. It shifts the focus from evidence to personal belief, often assuming that a lack of understanding equals a lack of truth.

[Atla]

Wouldn’t it be nice if quantum stuff came with built-in Star Trek replicator technology? You could take the superposition of a potato, use your imagination and turn it into a Ferrari.

[formeruser12]

Or conversely, you could take the superposition of a Ferrari and turn it into a potato, handy if you fancy some chips. What am I on about, why not cut out the middle man, it’s now a direct Ferrari > chips pipeline. But if you eat the chips, does the superposition of the fully digested material still linked in quantum weirdness to the imaginary Ferrari? Would that change the outcome if chips became Ferrari again?

And anyway, does the replicator accept all forms of matter as source material? I mean, is there a chance you will be eating your own poop as filet mignon, just transmogrified? Was Picard mostly drinking the rest of the crew’s urine when he enjoyed an Earl Grey? So many questions.

[seeds]

@formeruser12

Was Picard mostly drinking the rest of the crew’s urine when he enjoyed an Earl Grey? So many questions.

Isn’t that what the crew of the International Space Station is already doing?

Let’s ask one of my favorite Oracles - AI Overview…

Me:

Does the crew of the International Space Station convert their own urine into drinkable water?

AI Overview:

Yes, the crew of the International Space Station (ISS) converts their own urine (along with sweat and exhaled moisture) into drinkable water as part of a sophisticated recycling system. This process is crucial for long-duration missions to minimize the need for expensive water resupply from Earth.

And no, they aren’t doing it by applying their imaginations to the superpositioned underpinning of their urine and sweat, for our inner wills (I Am-nesses) have no sway (no “direct” access or control) over the informational underpinning of God’s mind.

No, the humans on the space station (like Picard) must rely on human ingenuity to “indirectly” manipulate universal matter (God’s mental holography) into forming the types of gadgets and devices that can then achieve the desired results - all in a logical progression of physiological steps and procedures.

Me:

Is the fundamental superpositioned substance that underpins a potato at the quantum (non-local) level of reality, the same as the fundamental substance that underpins a Ferrari?

AI Overview:

Yes, from the perspective of modern quantum field theory and physics, the fundamental, underlying, and superpositioned constituents of a potato are indeed the same as those of a Ferrari.

At the most fundamental, non-local quantum level, all matter in the universe is composed of the same types of elementary particles (quarks and leptons) and governed by the same fundamental interactions.

Heisenberg would refer to the superpositioned underpinning of the potato and the Ferrari as being “raw potentia,” of which I speculatively suggest is “up for grabs” to use to create pretty much anything.

That’s of course assuming that one would know how to reconfigure the correlated patterns of information that reside at the “implicate” level of reality…

(information that codes for the potato and Ferrari)

…into whatever it is you are trying to get to appear up at the “explicate” level of reality (a cup of Earl Grey tea, for example).

By the way, Niall, I noticed that you put one of those “information_source” icons at the bottom of my “Tugging on the Quantum Web” thread.

What information are you seeking?

[formeruser12]

@seeds

Me:

Is the fundamental superpositioned substance that underpins a potato at the quantum (non-local) level of reality, the same as the fundamental substance that underpins a Ferrari?

AI Overview:

Yes, from the perspective of modern quantum field theory and physics, the fundamental, underlying, and superpositioned constituents of a potato are indeed the same as those of a Ferrari.

At the most fundamental, non-local quantum level, all matter in the universe is composed of the same types of elementary particles (quarks and leptons) and governed by the same fundamental interactions.

I knew it, this quantum physics is a piece of piss.

@seeds

That’s of course assuming that one would know how to reconfigure the correlated patterns of information that reside at the “implicate” level of reality…

That does sound pretty complicated though.

@seeds

…into whatever it is you are trying to get to appear up at the “explicate” level of reality (a cup of Earl Grey tea, for example).

If I visit the Enterprise, I’m taking a lunchbox and a thermos, let’s put it that way.

@seeds

By the way, Niall, I noticed that you put one of those “information_source” icons at the bottom of my “Tugging on the Quantum Web” thread.

What information are you seeking?

It’s half for my own reference, and usually half to express that I’ve probably bookmarked it and am watching the thread.

[ProfessorX]

Haha this made me laugh.

If only we had matter replicators we could solve world hunger, eliminating the need to deforest and despoil so much of the natural world while also eliminating the need to kill animals for food.

To @seeds point about the quantum linkage between everything in this universe and how the state of being able to create anything imaginable seems to mirror what happens in our own dreams, I totally agree. Whether we think of this reality as a simulation or a mental ‘dream’ inside the mind of a higher being, or if we just want to think about it in basic physics terms as a huge quantum superposition of all possibilities all together at all times everywhere and through which we are migrating little blips stuck in a 4D experience, all of that makes sense to me. I think gravity is really just the ‘stuff’ of reality trying to pull itself back together since it is all “one thing” anyway. Quantum gravity theory often proposes there is no such thing as time, not really, so gravity is another illusion of motion just like all the motion we experience. The more mass exists in one place the stronger the “pull of gravity” will be on other stuff, because reality is trying to resist being pulled apart from its original unified singular state. Maybe.

@seeds

And if that is possibly true, then there must be something in the scientific quest to discover what the suns and planets (and our bodies and brains) are made of that would suggest that “physical” matter - at its most fundamental level - is indeed “mind-like” in nature.

Very cool

[ProfessorX]

@seeds

AI Overview:

The personal incredulity fallacy occurs when someone dismisses a claim as false simply because they find it difficult to understand, unbelievable, or contrary to their personal experience. It shifts the focus from evidence to personal belief, often assuming that a lack of understanding equals a lack of truth.

Otherwise known as the ‘normal’ state of mind of most people today.