Semantics. It’s like saying the laws of physics are magic, or every birth is a miracle. You’re not describing different or imaginary phenomena, you’re just choosing to describe the same, unimaginary phenomena using emotionally laden words. It’s like you’re using poetry to describe ordinary, mundane things, to liven them up a little, like - the volcano roars, or the river hisses. By referring to the universe as God, you’re not saying the universe is a kind old man/woman above/below, but it makes you feel like it is, if only for a moment. It’s kind of semi-delusional, you’re brain is stuck somewhere in between fantasy and reality, the natural and the supernatural. It’s not for me, I choose to speak plainly.
my god is everything natural…whatever…I am interested in the truth…the truth shall set you free…
Even the phrase “laws of physics” sounds too Judeo-Christian for my liking. How 'bout the patterns of physics, physical patterns, or the order of physics, physical order.
what is wrong with the atomic theory of matter…the elements…how plain can you get
In what way Judea-Xian?
The word law in “the laws of physics”, makes it sound as though physical things are obeying a set of decrees or ordinances laid down by a deity. There’s probably nothing wrong with atomic theory, elements, etcetera. The problem lies with some of the words we choose to describe phenomena with, they’re embellished and outdated. I can’t think of any other examples besides that one, but if I do, I’ll let you know.
Eyes,
It does not matter whether you are follower of those or not, because, at the end of the day, you are following the same concept. Yes, details may be different. But remember, it would not work out perfectly, unless and until, you would not able form a comprehensive ontlogy of human existence and how it is related/affected by the other things (physical and mental). That needs very finer and subtle details and a herculean task as well.
As a friend or a well-wisher, my sincere advise to you is that do not ever try anything outrageous on youself or any other as it may cause harm. I am saying this because i have heard you saying something like that in the other thread. Be sure about the things first and give yourself enough time to form a complete perception of the machanism of the system.
Agreed.
There is nothing supernatural in this universe.
There are two ways of looking at the things.
Firstly, you can say that everything is a magic. And secondly, you can say that everything is govern by some law.
But, actually, both are the same things as law is also a magic. You cannot have a complete explanation of the law. If you start following the trail, then untimately it would lead you to that narrowed down Magic.
I can understand what you are saying and your uneasyness too.
At the end of the day, you have to take is what is, what it is. That is the end and everthing is built upon it.
Now, at this juncture, you may call it law, reality, logic or even magic, if you want. But, they all are the same thing as only words and perceptions are different, not that very thing what is being perceived.
with love,
sanjay
Zin
Too late, I almost killed myself once or twice. I’m a rationalist and an empiricist. Sometimes you have to find out the hard way. No amount of theorizing can compare to a swift kick in the ass. Did Odin not give his left eye for wisdom? The key is to transition slowly, monitor yourself carefully, cease the experiment immediately if need be and of course learn all about the subject matter you can. Often different sources contradict one another. In order to separate the wheat from the chaff, combining what’s sensible/logical from source x with what’s logical/sensible from source y is key, but there’s nothing like raw data.
“Law” based science has been very successful, especially in the last 200 years, maybe Judeo/Christian ideology was just the thing we needed to help us find the correct metaphors to describe the universe?
You might also consider that in the period where science was most successful, democratic institutions that CHANGE laws have been in place by virtue of consent. And I would argue that it is THAT ideology that has enabled the Intellectual Milieu of science to progress by adaptation.
So whilst you might not like the tone of it. Science has progressed by the largely freethinking, consent finding, democratic ideology that we enjoy in the west going hand in hand. And that whilst consent is in place, people are able to agree on the laws of nature, but also able to adapt them to new findings.
Psychiatrists are filling the vaccuum left by disbelief in shaman & priest. What was once seen as an intercessor with gods or god has now become the intercessor between self and the reality of what is other than the self.
Yes Ier, I think that most of that they do is a bunch of hokey, bs brain prodding. They look at the most complex organ, with an infinite number of possible neural states, and they purport to be able to control behavior by throwing a few chemicals at it and telling it things that make it feel secure in it’s culture. Creeeeeeepyyyyyy.
this thread does not have to do with psychiatrists…I am talking about my psychoanalyst…he does not prescribe
drugs…
Priests don’t prescribe pills either. Your psychoanalyst is filling the vacated office of priest.
ier–I thought psychoanalysts were on the way out…I think they are rare…
Yep. The field seems to have gone to the pill pushers. Where I get my meds the pscychiatrist only writes prescriptions. I have a counselor for psychotherapy. Neither seems to be doing me much good nowadays.
has your counselor been helpful…
Nope. He just listens. I’m tired of my own bullshit. 
why do you continue seeing him…maybe you need a female therapist
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Turtle, I had a female counselor once. Many things I did not feel comfortable sharing with her.