Not just me, Silenus, you too, according to my beliefs. My humility is by no means fake, I’m a collection of atoms on a planet that can’t possibly be unique given the sheer scale of the Universe, even what we can observe right now. I’m not saying that I am special, and never will, but I believe that life has a purpose. All life. And that purpose is to be the eyes and ears of the creator.
If anyone is displaying nihilistic tendencies, then I would say its you.
Those are your beliefs, not mine.
Including me is how you try to hide your arrogance, your self-serving delusions.
I just think you have a stick up your ass concerning God, you have so much anti-belief, that it’s almost the same as belief now. If you think it’s all a figment, then why do you get so upset?
If you tell me it’s because of the ravages of the Abrahamic religions, then I’ll say fair enough. But is there another reason? And if so, does it really matter? What does it change?
Nihilism defined conventionally is nihilistic.
No god….
Morality evolved, it requires no god.
And the absence of purpose is why free-will is necessary.
You are the nihilist, and you do not even know it.
If this is the accepted definition of nihilism:
Nihilism is a philosophical stance that rejects established values, meanings, and truths, asserting that life lacks inherent purpose, moral principles are baseless, and knowledge may be impossible. It originates from the Latin nihil, meaning “nothing,” and broadly describes a worldview that denies objective meaning, value, or truth in existence.
Then I’m not sure what mental gymnastics were necessary to place me in that category..
Your belief in an absolutist concept. A singularity.
If god existed, as you define the cocnept, and universal morality existed and universal purpose was a fact, then existence would not be…..and life would be impossible.
You’ve adopted the nihilistic definitions of concepts…including the cocnept of nihilism.
And morality, and free-will, and meaning…..and god.
These concepts, as you udnerstand them, can only ever exist in your Platonic cave…shared by those like you…and nowhere else
Universal morality, do you mean the formation of order and all the beauty and wonder that results? Universal purpose, do you mean the purpose of the infinite cycle that you yourself believe in? Or is that completely without purpose?
Can you help me get my head round this, because I believe in a God, do you mean that I have therefore “given up” on the truth?
I’m just trying to see things from your cave..
Bingo…
Do you not already know the absolute truth?
Tell me…what purpsoe do the infinite cycles have?
I never said they have purpsoe, because only life has a purpose…an intent.
Of course I don’t, I’m just guessing like everyone else.
Then the purpose of the infinite cycles is to give rise to the purpose of life, surely?
Everyone is guessing?
Is that what you think?
Is it becasue you use your emotions, like the majority?
Is that the cosmic purpose? Really?
Self-referential….
Only life has a purpose.
Not existence.
So, you think that life is part of a cosmic plan, right?
So you are without emotion, and don’t need to guess? Really? And I’m the arrogant one? And we both know the emotion thing is not true at all Silenus, if you are implying it doesn’t affect your own reasoning.
So what is the purpose? I say to learn, what say you?
I don’t know. Maybe it was accidental, a fluke. Who knows? Seriously, I don’t know, but the rules of the Universe allowed it to happen, and now we have something that transcends mere life - wonder / imagination. And that brings me back to one of my beliefs, that wonder and the soul are the same thing.
Objectivity = to formulate beliefs based on reasoning and evidence, on the perceived, with as little subjectivity and emotional corruption as possible.
The third-person perspective.
Reasoning and using precedent, is not guessing. There’s no luck involved….only probabilities founded on perceptible, falsifiable phenomena. .
If you can show me a soul or a beginning from nothing, or a consciousness outside life….or a singularity….or god…I’ll concede.
All I see is multiplicities, flux, imperfection….and beauty…..that is higher forms of order - symmetry, proportionality…order.
All is Energy…
Your anxieties and ego are governing your beliefs.
You believe in shit with no evidence…and in fact they are contrary to experienced existence.
When we do not know…how to we build our knowledge?
Do we begin with the answer….a comforting answer?
Where is this beginning….this singularity?
Where is your immortal soul that is so wonderful deserves eternity?
If the intent of existence is life, then why is it so rare…in fact only one place we know of has produced life.
Where?
An entire cosmos for you to come about…how humble you are…and so objective and rational….
The laws of THIS iteration allowed life to emerge in a small corner…..so rare that most of existence lacks life…
This does not mean all other iterations will produce life….
When your beliefs are contradicted by experiences, then you are a nihilist.
This universe - immoral, godless, configuration, lacking purpose - made life possible…unintentionally. Part of the flux and how chaotic and ordered energies interacted, for huge periods of spacetime….
No god required…no singularity anywhere…no one, no nil,…..no cosmic consciousness; no consciousness separate from life.
And with that…I conclude and depart….
Ta, Ta,
Fair do’s. Have a good one.
Silenus, it’s ironic that you’ve retreated into the Yin-Yang. You started this conversation demanding ‘perceptible, falsifiable phenomena’ and rejecting anything you couldn’t see as data. Now, when faced with a tough question about the singularity, you’ve abandoned physics for ancient Chinese metaphysics.
If you truly believe in the Yin-Yang, you should recognize that your ‘rational’ order is incomplete without the very subjectivity and emotion you call ‘corruption.’ By insulting everyone, you aren’t being an objective observer; you’re just the ‘Chaos’ half of the circle, lacking the ‘Order’ of basic human decency….. but it makes sense coming from someone with extreme childhood trauma …like you know that whole getting fucked by your dad with mommy watching…. I’m really sorry you’re so broken my friend….. really just so sorry and so sad for you…. But that’s why we are here…. To help you with the daddy issues… seriously…. We are all routing for you gimp….
You must be new. You’ll see in time.
Next week: an eagle will haved snatched his girlfriend away? In any case, someone fantasising about incest with you know, mom and dad, and then saying he liked it … deserves extreme ridicucle. Or ignore. Take that dofo seriously and you get lumped in with all that! As l say, you’ll see.
I don’t know the context, or what he was on about. TBH I though it was from another thread then I saw it was from this one. Did he say that to try to be funny?
The reasons would be more linear, l think he was overcome by fumes from the jar of poo he sniffs.
Man, l think that was a turning point for me. I think this forum is dying. It’s like in the movies when a guy wakes to find a dead sex worker in his bed. It’s a wakeup call to get away from all this.