My unusual? beliefs

Define what you mean by “proven” because where I come from science does not deal in certainties but in theories of higher probability.

Wherever man found himself baffled by existence there he placed gods…..

Yet, emotinos are not mysterious…..and music is not mystical.

Both can be explained without resorting to god.

And, let’s say they couldn’t…this still does not necessitate a god, but an explanation. God is not an explanation…

So, this is about your subjective tastes?

I deal in objectivity, not in what I like….or prefer

Emotions are easily explained.

And I have posted my explanation. …requiring no supernatural god, no outside existence bullshyte.

Emotions are genetically programmed reactions to stimuli, established through natural selection, interweaving into reaffirming feedback loops.

“Robert Plutchik’s psycho-evolutionary theory of emotion is one of the most influential classification approaches for general emotional responses. He considered there to be eight primary emotions – anger, fear, sadness, disgust, surprise, anticipation, trust, and joy. Plutchik proposed that these ‘basic’ emotions are biologically primitive and have evolved in order to increase the reproductive fitness of the animal. Plutchik argues for the primacy of these emotions by showing each to be the trigger of behaviour with high survival value, such as the way fear inspires the fight-or-flight response.Plutchik’s psycho-evolutionary theory of basic emotions has ten postulates. The concept of emotion is applicable to all evolutionary levels and applies to animals as well as to humans. Emotions have an evolutionary history and have evolved various forms of expression in different species. Emotions served an adaptive role in helping organisms deal with key survival issues posed by the environment. Despite different forms of expression of emotions in different species, there are certain common elements, or prototype patterns, that can be identified. There is a small number of basic, primary, or prototype emotions. All other emotions are mixed or derivative states; that is, they occur as combinations, mixtures, or compounds of the primary emotions. Primary emotions are hypothetical constructs or idealized states whose properties and characteristics can only be inferred from various kinds of evidence. Primary emotions can be conceptualized in terms of pairs of polar opposites. All emotions vary in their degree of similarity to one another. Each emotion can exist in varying degrees of intensity or levels of arousal.”–Wikipedia

Psychosomatic reactions to external stimuli, triggering internal neurological processes.

Emotions are genetically programmed reactions to stimuli, established through natural selection, interweaving into reaffirming feedback loops.

uli, triggering internal neurological processes.

“Emotion is inseparable from the body in which it is felt, and emotion is also the basis for our engagement with the world. Social understanding in the sense of empathic connection, as well as understanding how others feel, what they mean not only by what they say in context, as we have seen, but by their facial expressions, their ‘body language’ and tone of voice – all this is made possible by the right hemisphere.In keeping with its capacity for emotion, and its predisposition to understand mental experience within the context of the body, rather than abstracting it, the right hemisphere is deeply connected to the self as embodied. Although each side of the brain has both motor and sensory connections with the opposite side of the body, we know that the left hemisphere carries an image only of the contralateral (right) side of the body – when the right hemisphere is incapacitated, the left part of the individual’s body virtually ceases to exist for that person. It is only the right parietal lobe that has a whole-body image. Importantly this body image is not just a picture. It is not a representation (as it would be if it were in the left hemisphere), or just the sum of our bodily perceptions, or something imagined, but a living image, intimately linked to activity in the world – an essentially affective experience. Which is why disturbances in it led to profoundly disturbing illnesses, such as body dysmorphia and anorexia nervosa.”[The Master and His Emissary – The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World]–McGilchrist, Iain

Emotional Corruption of Reason – How the Objective is frustrated by the Subjective

Within modern absolutist either/or absolutist paradigms the absolute refers to an extreme emotional state that corrupts awareness, tilting it towards one or the other emotional pole, generalized as positive/negative.

Emotion is determining modern man’s judgements. The absence of external referents, in support of his ideologies, is compensated with emotional criteria. The pleasure principle.
Emotions were for the Greeks something to be bridled, but not denied expression.

The passions include both emotions & instincts, as both of these are automated responses to stimuli, resulting in a partial or complete loss of control. An experience that can be both frightening & liberating. Loss of control being part of the Dionysian character type, liberated from the restraints of culturally determined social conventions.

Loss of emotional control – even if momentary – entails a risk, as it does not concern itself with consequences.

No matter how loudly many profess their admiration for honesty, when they actually get a taste of it, they do not always appreciate it. When a modern speaks of honesty, and living in the moment, he or she knows not what he is saying.

How else would genetic agendas enforce rational compliance if not through psychotropic effects? Intoxication is how intellect is diverted from self-interests towards group interests.

§Monologue: Feminization – Chemical Castrations – Numb

Coddling permeates through modern organized superstructures. Expressions of survival, nourished in more austere domains, become frivolous and hollow in the mouths of children. Pathos is diluted by being converted into a commodity to be bought and sold, and eventually discarded by those who have been immunized against the repercussions.

Emotion, from a metaphysical standpoint, is a reaction to the absence of an absolute. A void in knowledge, causing anxiety; a void in strength, causing insecurity; a void in control, causing fear and anger; a void in power, causing envy.

§Monologue: Nihilism – Inverted World – Absent Absolute
Goleman describes emotion as a feeling, and its distinctive thoughts – psychological and biological states – a range of propensities.

There are hundreds of emotions, along with their combinations, variations, mutations, and nuances. The main categories and some of their subcategories:

Anger: fury, outrage, resentment, wrath, exasperation, indignation, vexation, acrimony, animosity, annoyance, irritability, hostility.

Sadness: grief, sorrow, cheerlessness, gloom, melancholy, self-pity, loneliness, dejection, despair.

Fear: anxiety, apprehension, nervousness, concern, consternation, misgiving, wariness, qualm, edginess, dread, fright, terror.

Enjoyment: happiness, joy, relief, contentment, bliss, delight, amusement, pride, sensual pleasure, thrill, rapture, gratification, satisfaction, euphoria, whimsy, and ecstasy.

Love: acceptance, friendliness, trust, kindness, affinity, devotion, adoration, infatuation, agape.

Surprise: shock, astonishment, amazement, wonder.

Disgust: contempt, disdain, scorn, abhorrence, aversion, distaste, revulsion.

Shame: guilt, embarrassment, chagrin, remorse, humiliation, regret, mortification, contrition.

When thinking about emotions – their breadth of effects, their reach and relevance, their distorting repercussions, and their organic sources – I have come to believe in some basic commonalities: feelings are reactive, in that they are produced as automatic reactions to perceptions (external stimuli), governed by a singular drive to exist, to grow/expand, and to replicate/reproduce. Consequently, all of them can be reduced to the common denominator of an automatic response against threats and challenges, more aptly represented by the most fundamental of all emotions, fear.

Fear is the core of overcoming obstacles and threats. [Fear]

The first and primary reaction, of a developing organism to its environment, is that of stress and anxiety. We call the combination fear.

Here the fundamental nature of existence is exposed because increasing entropy – as it relates to life and its constant ordering – represents a ‘negative’ factor in the continuance of life

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An organism is unaware (ignorant), confronting & confronted by an uncertain world; it is constantly under stress, maintaining itself against seen & unseen adversities, e.g., predators, parasites, viruses, temporal attrition depleting its finite energies etc.

In brief emotions are necessary to survival, especially for organisms that adopt cooperative reproductive and survival strategies.

They make reactions more effective by making them more efficient by making them automatic….

Now…do you want an explanation for music?

No god is necessary.

Oh and…if the Abrahamic definition of god is being used, then you fucks need to explain how a first cause is required for what has no beginning and no end.

OK, I don’t dispute any of those explanations, so let’s approach it from a different angle.

Where does all the matter and energy in the Universe come from? Of course science has posited the Big Bang Theory since 1927, where everything originated from a singularity. So later it was questioned, how did the singularity itself emerge? The answer? That there was already an everything before there was almost nothing, and that formed a singularity.

So how did that endless cycle begin? Is it infinite? What actually started it all off? And where did the matter and energy originally come from?

Science relies as much on faith to explain some things as any religion, and just like religion, much is confidently built on top of what can be quite shaky foundations..

Is that what you are alluding to there? If so then at least you agree about an infinite Universe, even though it’s then the cycle of death and rebirth that is infinite..

Yuor question presumes the answer…. Energy is…. Existence Is…it comes form and goes nowhere….it cycles.

Big Bang is NOT a singularity….

It is the closest approach to a singularity.

It is where one cosmic iteraction, you call a universe, becomes the next….in an endless cycle.

Hinduism….Yin/Yang.

Big Bang is an event, not the beginning.

Again…your questions presume an answer….

Existence has no beginning and no end….

Matter is how life evolved to interpret energy patterns.

What has no beginning and no end requires no first cause…..all is a cycle….a continuum.

Eternal.

Nope….you assume too much.

Life ends at death….but the energies it is comprised of are liberated and return to the Flux.

You might say that eternal iteration will repeat this cosmic organization….and this is possible.

Factor in chaos, and this becomes problematic.

Forget I said death / rebirth, is expansion and contraction a reasonable replacement?

Well that was my next question, is the singularity itself (or the closest approach) the representation of ultimate order, or ultimate chaos?

It must be ultimate something..

Neither…YIN/YANG

Imperfection in both….the singularity cannot complete itself because if it did there would be no existence.

Chaos/Order…..and you worship order…because life depends on it, and is ordering…and considers it beautiful, inspiring, comforting….…

No….Thing is what the conscious brain calls an energy pattern.

Existence is not a thing…it is a process…dynamic, interactive…eternal.

The mother of all cycles eh? The cycle to give rise to, and end all other cycles (at least for a while). Talk about fractalism, that one goes on forever and is infinitely deep.

Energy can neither be created or destroyed..

So you think that this cycle just is, and it always was? There was no beginning or origin?

What does existence mean to you?

What does non-existence mean to you?

Isn’t non-existence by definition non-existent?

It depends. Do you mean from my perspective as a human being? Or do you mean the objective existence of matter and energy in the Universe?

The concept itself….

How can non-existence exist without contradicting itself?

There is only existence. Multiplicity.

Experienced as we’ve evolved…as was useful, and effective to our survival.

I firmly believe in existence even without a single source of consciousness to interpret it. I agree that there’s no such thing as non-existence, but again, I believe the Universe is infinite and there was never a state of non-existence to begin with, I’m sure we can agree on that:

Although I believe in what could be called a monotheistic God, I don’t subscribe to the Abrahamic interpretation of Him (which I think is often primitive and narrow-minded), and for me God and the Universe are essentially the same thing. For me, God is the rules the Universe follows.

I don’t pontificate about God, or His will, because what is the point? You just have to look around, even just staring up at the stars explains a lot, or looking at a leaf under a microscope. God didn’t create everything individually, like the religious texts imply, why would He bother doing that? It only takes one algorithm to draw an infinite fractal..

Yep, I do love order. Order as in natural formation and cohesion on every scale. Not as in government or society though, that’s sometimes referred to as “order”, no idea why.

I know….and the reason is emotional.

All creation is a product of interactivity between patterned and non-patterned energies.

And chaos frightens you…..and that is one reason you bevel in a god representing totalitarian, absolute, order.

You need certainty to help you cope.

Absolute order is so seductive…because it is order that has completed, finalized…which would result in the end of existence….so, in fact, you crave to end your existence…whilst not ending your consciousness…a contradiction.

The mystical is where you, and those like you, resolve this contradiction.

Well yes, I’m human. Things haven’t changed that much in 200,000 years, and for good reason. We have this habit of wanting to stay alive, you know?

But God doesn’t represent that for me, and there is no such thing as ultimate order, that would be the same as the singularity that you rightly denied was possible. There always has to be a cycle, there is no ultimate anything. I’m not denying the importance of Ying / Yang, I’m just saying I cling to the Ying, know what I mean?

Yes…. since ancient Greece, men have been fighting on the side of order…. that is what the Olympian gods were…fighting against chaos, the Titans.

This is why nihilism is self-destructive…..it lies and inverts.

It destroys human order, promising an occult, order…. which is actually chaos.

Like the Abrahamic triad…

If I was a nihilist, then I really would crave an end to my own existence. Not just because there is absolutely nothing to believe in, but because I basically answered life’s great question by saying “I give up.”

I would rather be an ignorant optimistic fool, that a wise nihilistic fool. We’re all fools, but life is much easier for some fools than others..

You are what I describe as a “positive nihilist”….you believe in concepts that if they were to become real would nullify existence….like your absolutist god.

Like Plato’s Ideals…if they were to exist, they would negate existence…..the Platonic cave is the human skull, and that is where your god exists, as an anti-realistic abstraction….with no external referents.

You despise existence….but cannot give it up…you secretly fear your beliefs are nonsense.

I don’t fear that, at all. Because here’s the thing - if I’m right, then my soul will exist beyond my Earthly demise, and the cycle of learning and being will continue.

If I’m wrong, then I’m headed for oblivion, and will never know anything about it.

Either way, it doesn’t really matter what I believe, all I know if that the former does give me comfort, and I think it would be a really cool way for things to end up.

I don’t despise existence, I love it, and am enjoying it very much, despite all of the man-made chaos that I could do without.

And we all exist inside that cave, in one way or another. Even the JWST isn’t going to solve that problem.

And your integrity while alive?

Have you not sacrificed it to your anxieties?

Don’t you want to know as much of the truth before you die?

You think you lose nothing, but you have lost something with your win/win scenario.

You are the one who cannot leave the cave, the sunlight hurts your eyes….your spirit.

Spirit = mind/body.

What arrogance…concealed in your fake humility. You deserve eternity?

Why?

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