Neoliberals want open borders and no restrictions on immigration or migration, so who pays for all of that?
Who pays for education, healthcare, public welfare, and so on to foreigners with an open borders policy? I would argue nobody can which is why open border policies are illogical. You would essentially bankrupt your own nation overtime with such absurdity.
You mean who invests in education, healthcare, public welfare, and so on. Considering that Western countries have reducing birthrates, we seem to have a lot of jobs for people to do.
So, destroy our entire cultural civilizations and history because of radical feminism then? There are ways or policies to raise the birthrate by investing in jobs and family development for young people.
I disagree with the notion that people are interchangeable and can be simply replaced on economic or monetary whims.
You cannot pay for the entire world to supplant you in your own nation because not only is it ridiculous and absurd, but it will financially bankrupt you in the whole process. That isnât a fix to anything, it doesnât even make sense from an economic angle.
I do not know what kind of reasoning youâre suggesting here.
MrAuthoritarian:
Neoliberals want open borders and no restrictions on immigration or migration, so who pays for all of that?
Who pays for education, healthcare, public welfare, and so on to foreigners with an open borders policy? I would argue nobody can which is why open border policies are illogical. You would essentially bankrupt your own nation overtime with such absurdity.
K: I would be more impressed if the thread wasnât just copied
from Faux news⌠and in fact, Texas in 2019 did a study,
where they discovered that Illegals, after taking out the stateâs
money they ââusedââ, bring in an additional 19 billion dollarsâŚ
and that is after ââexpensesââ of the immigrants⌠and I suspect
that nationally, Illegals bring in over 50 billion dollars, again
after ââexpensesââ⌠So, instead of slavishly repeating Faux
news or ââKing Trumpââ, how about some research?
Kropotkin
I donât watch Fox news, I didnât vote for Trump, I donât even like Trump, and havenât voted in over twenty years.
What I do want to know is why this nation is so addicted to cheap foreign labor and why it thinks itâs okay to replace the population interchangeably with others.
Show me the study youâre talking about.
For me none of what transpires is economically or nationally sustainable within the long term.
two things, one the fact is that the âânationââ is
addicted to cheap illegal labor, business areâŚ
the almighty dollar is why business are onboard
with cheap labor⌠to make profits⌠even the village
idiot uses cheap foreign labor, (he has admitted this)
that is why⌠strictly profitsâŚ
I canât find the specific study, but I did find another sourceâŚ
ITEP⌠which is the ââInstitute of Taxation and economic policyââ
ITEP.org⌠which has a study that says ââundocumented
immigrantsââ paid roughly $96 billion dollars in federal,
state and local taxes⌠of that, $59 billion was paid
to the federal govenment⌠that 6 states receive more
than one billion dollars in tax revenue from illegals,
California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, and
New JerseyâŚ
ops, wife is home⌠laterâŚ
Kropotkin
The exploitation of cheap labor has been a defining feature of the U.S. economy since its inception, evolving through different waves of immigration and economic necessity. From Irish immigrants and convicts in the early days to Chinese laborers in the 19th century, the system has consistently sought out vulnerable populations to sustain industries at minimal cost. The abolition of slavery did not end exploitationâit merely transformed it into low-wage Black labor, ensuring that freed individuals remained economically dependent and socially constrained. Similarly, European immigrants arriving in New York found themselves in overcrowded tenements, working grueling factory jobs for meager wages.
Today, this cycle continues with Latino workers, particularly in agriculture, domestic labor, and service industries.
Capitalism thrives on profit, making low wages and cheap labor essential to its function. The United States is fundamentally a capitalist economy.
Doesnât make it right and I for one see American economic capitalism collapsing on itself, we have come very close to the end of the line. I have no problems with Latin Americans, however, endless unregulated immigration or migration is not sustainable for any nation on earth.
And let us assume for one moment that the United States does become majority Mexican or Latin American in the future in terms of ethnic population, what is to stop the nation of Mexico annexing the future United States thinking to itself the majority population is already Mexican where the opportunity to absorb large portions of the southwest United States would be too tempting to resist. If the future is one with a Mexican or Latin American ethnic majority population it might as well be just another Mexico, no?
At a certain point in any workable nation you have to tell yourself that you already have an excess population where you cannot absorb simply any more. There has to be laws or regulations in place concerning immigration because unregulated and unrestricted immigration is very costly especially when theyâre accessing services of the state without being citizens themselves. This takes away from citizens of all races and ethnicities who are already here giving it to non-citizens.
Foreign cheap labor is the exploitation of capitalism, itâs utilized as a beating hammer against the working class depriving it of higher wages and a higher standard of living overtime. Domestic workers cannot compete against an unrelenting constant wave of foreign workers pouring into the nation who sell their labor at a considerably much lower price. The capitalists profit off of this domestic versus foreign worker conflict dynamic.
So, for me if you support unrestricted immigration youâre against the working class and for the exploitation of economic capitalism. Unrestricted immigration is the exploitation of workers, domestic and foreign alike.
So, you admit that unrestricted immigration is the exploitation of the working class, domestic and foreign alike.
I thought neoliberals were suppose to be against economic capitalism, or do you guys only pretend to be against economic capitalism?
As a Mexican living in America, I can testify that while every Latin American could be seen as âMexican,â most Latino-descendant Americans are quite adapted to the American way. They think and live as Americans. Sometimes, itâs even hard to find common ground in a basic conversation. For that reason, I wouldnât see the southern states as prone to becoming a part of Mexico as you imagine. In fact, given the right incentivesâsuch as citizenship and equal opportunitiesâI see newly arrived immigrants becoming Americans.
Think of it like this: What does it mean to be an American?
If, by some sudden change, Black Americans became the predominant ethnicity in the country, would it still be America? Or would its values and culture shift?
Maybe what you are referring to is based on skin color or the customs being imported by migrants from all over the world. But I will tell you thisâAmerica, as a land of opportunity, with all its flaws and achievements, is a well-marketed dream that many are willing to buy if given the chance. Whether they are Hindus, Polish, Italians, Chinese, or Mexicans, America will remain the ever-changing country it has always been.
Now, donât get me wrongâI love my country just as much as I see that you love yours. And I recognize the great problem of illegal immigration. I am against it. I wouldnât want it in my home country, and I donât support it now. Iâm simply inviting you to see America as an ideal of society, rather than as a fixed group of people with specific characteristics and customs locked in time.
Illegal immigration needs to be addressedâperhaps not in overly harsh termsâbut with the understanding that America is, at its core, a melting pot of ethnicities.
I know that all Latin Americans are not Mexican, I was just using Mexico as an example because how close in proximity it is to our national border.
I was saying that it is possible in the future Mexico could forcibly annex large portions of the southwestern United States especially if Mexican Latin Americans overtime become the new ethnic majority. It would essentially be two Mexican neighbors squabbling over land disputes at that point.
You do realize that white Europeans have been the majority ethnic population of the United States since its historical founding and that any radical change or alteration to that the nation will never be the same again. There are consequences when a majority population dies off or is replaced, theyâre not as positive as people may think and portray.
Some say that will be a great thing, but I donât think that necessarily will be the case as new problems will arise in the racial or ethnic vacuum.
Skin color in terms of racial and ethnic makeup is a useful physical aesthetic in terms of identification but it is not the only hallmark of culture for there are ideological and mental differences as well. I am not at all trying to be negative saying that, just merely stating differences exist.
You call this place the land of opportunity and yet I have lived my entire life here where for me it is anything but that. This is a place of exploitation, constant war, manipulation, decadence, entrapment, and hypocrisy.
I work with foreign migrants on a daily basis in agriculture for a company and I see the labor exploitation on a daily basis.
Yes, illegal immigration is a harmful thing to this nation, what I am articulating in this thread is how neoliberals believe that no immigration is illegal. For them their entire ideology is one of unrestricted immigration.
The concept of the melting pot was created at the end of the 18th century and this nation has not always been one, that has not always been the case. If we melt down all races or ethnicities into one singular hybridization we destroy the evolution of natural biodiversity, so I am afraid I disagree with that sentiment tremendously. Itâs true admixtures happen naturally and randomly, but that is something quite different than making something an official national policy or organized agenda.
How sadâŚwhen a people have become so pampered that they need to import slave wage to do the work they now find beneath themâŚwilling to lose their country to maintain their comforts.
A nation with open borders is like a body with open orificesâŚ
How long can it survive taking in anything and everything that crawls its way?
The funny thing about the responses I will get from these American simpletons, is that I despise Trump.
heâs a narcissistic, pompous imbecile⌠yet, he has been groomed for this jobâŚtop stop Americaâs hemorrhaging.
And heâs not doing wellâŚ
TariffsâŚcannot stop any wars⌠internal strife rising, as America descends towards its second and final Civil WarâŚ
A bit too lateâŚand heâs not up for the job.
The elites that groomed him were too lateâŚand heâs just incompetent.
It was instituted in 1965 and here we are in 2025, so not very long. It destroys very quickly especially if the domestic population doesnât reproduce or breed in large numbers.
The lie that race is a social construct will destroy the USâŚ
They believe they can import what they are losing due to miscegenation and the natural degenerative attrition of timeâŚ
But they canâtâŚbecause populations are not interchangeable.
Edumacation cannot magically transform a Mestizo into a WASP.
Those that never managed to create a sophisticated system cannot be expected to maintain one.
I am afraid that the entirety of western civilization including the United States is going to learn the hard way that populations are not interchangeable but the way it is looking the hard lesson is going to be learned with the total death of western civilization itself. I do not think there is a way to recover from this.
Independent research, notably by The Perryman Group (2016), estimated that after subtracting the costs of health care, education, and social services, undocumented immigrants in Texas generated net fiscal benefits of $32.9 billion annually, broken down as $20.1 billion to the federal government, $11.8 billion to the State of Texas, and $0.9 billion to local governments.
Thank you Bob⌠I knew it was somewhereâŚ
Kropotkin
Many analysts and historians argue that Western states are, to a significant extent, responsible for some aspects of their own perceived âdecline.â This responsibility is linked both to internal policy choices and to the external impacts of those policies on other countries, including many from which immigrants originate.
Western societies have experienced rising inequality, partly due to financial policies (such as quantitative easing and austerity), tax structures, and the prioritization of financial markets over broader economic growth. These choices have led to a concentration of wealth among elites, stagnation for the middle and working classes, and social unrest.
The Western model of perpetual economic growth, high consumption, and resource exploitation has created vulnerabilities, including environmental degradation and diminishing returns, which threaten long-term stability and result in a reduction in births.
Western foreign policiesâsuch as military interventions, support for authoritarian regimes, and economic policiesâhave often destabilized regions in the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America. These actions have contributed to conflict, economic hardship, and forced migration.
Westlessness: The decline of a decades-long moral empire? - Academia - The Jakarta Post
What has the West lost?, Opinion Muhittin Ataman | SETA
Western demand for cheap labour and resources has historically shaped global economic structures, often to the detriment of developing countries. Outsourcing manufacturing and resource extraction can undermine local economies and limit development opportunities in these regions.
Therefore, Western states are widely seen as responsible for many of the internal dynamics contributing to their own challenges, including economic inequality, social fragmentation, and unsustainable growth models. Additionally, Western policies have had significant, often damaging, effects on many countries from which immigrants originate, through a combination of economic, political, and military interventions, as well as global economic practices that perpetuate inequality and instability.
