Neoliberal Open Borders Fallacy

I’m quite surprised at your sudden aggressive tone towards me. Perhaps it’s because I have ignored you. That has because in many ways you confuse your fantasy with “a genius realization”.

You obviously do not pay attention, because I actually value the cultural diversity that we have in the world but reject the idea that one culture or one skin colour has any claim to dominance. In fact, it is the very idea of elitism or “chosen” people that I reject. An art collection, or a symphony, which is made up of variations of one theme soon becomes boring.

I am a universalist who says that if we agree on the transcendental values, truth, unity, beauty, goodness and love, we can build a colourful humanity based on compassion and diversity. I have no dream of a “melting pot” but if there is a mixture of ethnicities, so be it.

Modern idealism makes the assertion that it is our common consciousness or sense of experience that unifies us. Old traditions say that it is because our physical appearance is a temporary feature of consciousness in skin. Our physical existence is seen is an inhibitory experience, due to the need to survive, which drives every living species, whether animal, plant or fungi.

The diverse and unified existence amongst humans is made possible by mutual borders that we agree on, whereby the freedom of one is limited when it threatens to restrict another. It is the result of an agreement we make, which we used to call civilisation, the problem was the insane idea that one group was more worthy than another. Imagine a village where families attacked each other like nations in the world do. The village would soon be burnt down.

I don’t know whether you actually know the origins of the term “Woke”. It originates from African American Vernacular English (AAVE), where it is the past participle of “wake” and has been used since at least the 1930s or earlier. It was first used within Black communities to mean being aware of racial prejudice and discrimination, often in the phrase “stay woke”. Eventually, it took on the figurative meaning of generally being “awake” or alert to social and political injustices. It has expanded to include other social justice concerns such as sexism and homophobia.

The inequalities are the subject of “woke” and socialism is, unlike nationalism, an international movement, which calls upon all oppressed people to unite. You may mean “national socialism” which was a trojan horse, because it called upon the white race to unite against a perceived degradation of genetic material. This came from Eugenics, which is considered anti-woke because its foundational principles and historical applications directly contradict the core values of “wokeness,” which centres on social justice, equality, and opposition to discrimination.

Your assessment of the situation in Africa is woefully ignorant of the exploitation of supposedly “superior” races who used their advanced extermination machinery to subjugate the people there. I’m not saying that any ethnic group is better than another, far from it. I’m saying that Western colonialism extracted the wealth, resources, and population to serve its own populations and continues to do so. If a diverse but unified humanity is ever to come to be, this exploitation has to end, and trading begun amongst equals.

True, there has never been a fair and truly egalitarian system of segregation suggested or implemented—nor one where harsh penalties for racial oppression ensured genuine equality.

The most prominent attempt to justify segregation as “fair” was the doctrine of “separate but equal,” established by the U.S. Supreme Court in Plessy v. Ferguson (1896). This doctrine claimed that racial segregation was permissible as long as the separate facilities for different races were of equal quality. In practice, however, this was a “sham;” Black Americans consistently received inferior treatment and resources, and the doctrine served to entrench racial oppression rather than prevent it. There were no meaningful or enforceable penalties for racial oppression within these systems—discrimination was not only tolerated but legally sanctioned.

Efforts to create egalitarian societies have focused on abolishing segregation and promoting integration, as seen in the goals and achievements of the Civil Rights Movement. The philosophical and practical consensus, as reflected in both historical experience and egalitarian theory, is that segregation inherently produces and perpetuates inequality and injustice, regardless of any theoretical penalties or safeguards.

Historical and contemporary scholarship overwhelmingly shows that capitalism has not only coexisted with racial segregation and oppression but has often exacerbated these issues. The concept of “racial capitalism,” developed by scholars like Cedric Robinson, argues that capitalism was built on and continues to rely upon racial differentiation and exploitation. Rather than erasing old hierarchies, capitalism has frequently extended and deepened them, using racial categories to justify exploitation, expropriation, and the uneven distribution of resources and opportunities.

International socialism has historically positioned itself as an alternative to capitalist systems, with the explicit aim of overcoming the inequalities and oppressions—racial and otherwise—produced or exacerbated by capitalism. Socialist and Marxist theorists have argued that capitalism’s reliance on exploitation and hierarchy, including racialized forms of oppression, can only be overcome by fundamentally transforming economic and social relations.

So, I’ll ignore this exhibition of your ignorance and hope that you have learned something from the above.

I am not surprised, that you are so soft. And you were being aggressive towards Mr Authoritarian, when he is anti-racist. And hearing the same woke-talking points over and over IS irritating and cause enough for a rough response.

Yes of course. That is what I expected you to say. That is what I expect everyone to say. Because they are naive idealists who think short-term. Hundreds of years from now your ideology will only result in one race. But then it won’t be your problem and you can rest easy knowing you had virtue-signaled yourself.

It sounds like you are desperately trying to prove Satyr right about what he says. That modern Marxists view having a body as some kind of burden, that want to transcend physical existence. And that you want to magically float around as disembodied spirits. Was he wrong? Am I misreading what you are trying to say?

Its because humans evolved from Chimpanzees which are a war-like race. Its a paradox, men created civilization but can destroy it too. Obviously, masculinity is a dangerous thing.

Wow… so insulting and presumptive. I asked a positive thing, to send engineers to help Africans, and some how you distort what I say and accuse me of a bunch of off-the-wall shit. Its this exact kind of behavoir that is why the world is garbage and continues to be garbage.

Your needless insult has been noted.

Everything you said to me was already known to me, save the origin of the term “woke”. I’m sure you consider yourself some kind of genius to edumacate me on so much.

One thing I agree is that nazis were a trojan horse, now the word “national socialist” is no longer usable and now only it is acceptable to be a global socialist, otherwise there is the connotation of national socialism.

I’m sorry, but if you think my answer was aggressive towards @MrAuthoritarian you obviously do not know how to communicate ideas.

This is obvious in the last post, so, I suggest we agree to disagree. If I have educated you, then perhaps because I have spent seventy years trying to fathom out the world, and you have not. Call it experience.

that is what you said to him, you talk down to us as if he is an ignoramus and you are the shining beacon of wisdom granting him your teachings.

he is a grown man and well aware of the world and things. And he explicitly said he would ban racial conflicts and exploitation

Does @MrAuthoritarian need you to protect his feelings. I don’t think so. He sounded quite capable of understanding and replying.

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power in numbers. you understand that. as a leftist, you understand that. there are a few here who don’t seem to though.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You really are funny - or perhaps something else.

While I believe multiracial and multicultural societies are historically problematic in that they’re deeply fractured I think the only way we can salvage anything in a nation like the United States is for everybody to respect each other. This means that nobody is singled out or abused but where every different ethnicity is equally respected under the rule of law, white European included.

In another thread I talked about promoting racial ethnic cultural neighborhood districts as a way of promoting diversity and racial ethnic cultural identity in a way that nobody feels excluded. A kind of ethnic racial cultural pluralism for coexistence that includes everybody.

We would also need to create a lot of economic prosperity and opportunities for everyone of all different races or ethnicities where I think that would go well in healing divisions. You cannot salvage ethnic and racial relations if everybody is miserable living in financial economic squalor, in many ways our corrupted ruthless capitalist system has inflamed racial relations between different ethnicities here.

Finally, we need to stop living in denial about the disastrous practices of global immigration of the last forty to fifty years. I really do believe global international immigration should be halted for an extended long period of time. There is no worker shortage, there’s a pay shortage and a problem with the ruling capital class moving infrastructure around because they’re constantly skirting around on taxes or wages. If there’s a fertility crisis concerning population it’s because our male workers don’t make enough money for marriage and family planning, by adequately compensating male workers the population demographic crisis will resolve itself overtime. With global migration halted the average wages for the entire working class will only go up domestically.

Naturally as a Marxist my ideal government is communist representing the interests of the proletariat. The capitalist class should be destroyed entirely.

Of course, for me this is all an ideal solution in my mind, who can say what will happen in the future accurately? The future of existence is always uncertain.

Isn’t that the only way that human beings everywhere will ‘salvage’ anything? I am amazed how US-centric your statement is.

Well, good luck with that! Take into account that Trump went from “all undocumented workers are bad” to “undocumented workers are only bad in blue states but great for the economy in red states.”

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You’re still hanging onto that romantic idealism. I too, miss the 1990s, when American race relations were at their highest. But your suggestion that American Leftists ‘accept equality’ with European White males, is severely unrealistic. Westerners need enemies / scapegoats. Since WWII and the Evil Hitler Nazis are fading into the distant past, the meta-narrative shifted from “Nazi Bad” to “White Man Bad”. Nevermind that American white males essentially defeated the Nazis. Leftists don’t care. They have been too indoctrinated into Cultural Marxism and “Critical Theory” to care about whatever the American Right purports to care about or value.

The divisions are too deep, in my opinion.

Furthermore, I’m inclined to agree with Satyr’s critiques on this specific point. American abundance and prosperity was mainly fueled by imperialistic parasitism around the world. So, since that has ended, and domestic prosperity has ended, that only leads to an exponentially decreased race relation in general.

Race relations are going to get worse (like in LA), not better, and probably not better anytime soon. That doesn’t mean that everybody’s going to just jump into racial lines overnight. You can still have a multiplicity of friends and friend-groups… but the future challenges will threaten those bonds. Imagine having hispanic friends in LA. Would that not cause tension if you support deporting illegal aliens, and somebody’s family members are deported?

lol

Except nobody respects anybody in the United States which is why we have so many problems.

The only people who benefit from open borders and global immigration is the very wealthy as a way of suppressing worker wages. Once Latin American workers figure this out along with all other workers everybody will want to seal the borders up if it it means an increase in their overall wages domestically which nobody would oppose.

I say open the borders to Latinos. All our white politicians sell us out to Israel every day. We need more Latino politicians and presidents. White politicians just want America to endlessly serve Israel.

Latinos work the jobs most whites dont want to and also latinos pay taxes. In my opinion they should have easier green cards as they are literally TOUCHING our borders. Canada and mexico should have easier entry, foreign nations not so much

and the gangs and ms13 crap is greatly exaggerated by right-wingers. Only a tiny portion of illegal immigrants are part of that. Making green cards EASIER to get would actually make criminal entry more difficult. Since more law abiding Mexicans would be more likely to pursue legal entry into the nation

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It’s no longer about Latinos and Hispanics; it’s about principles.

If USA cannot control its borders then it has no future.

And that’s exactly what many people want… a collapsed America.

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I think everybody would be more receptive about sealing the borders and stopping the flow of global immigration if the message was that only the very wealthy benefit from open borders and that halting global immigration overall would increase wages for the working class domestically. Having more wages is something all workers can agree on from all different races and ethnicities, but of course this will never become a national talking point with the current power structure in place.

ICE should be redirected to border patrols, not evictions. Less evictions, more border patrols.

Democracy is about the overwhelming will of the people and the majority of Californians oppose all the evictions. Furthermore, maintaining order and National strength is often about compromise and picking your battles, not blustering towards strong winds and abstractions about principles like Leeroy Jenkins.

In the long term there should be easier Green Cards and this would decrease the amount of illegal immigration while also making it easier to filter criminals.

The conversation should not be about ubiquitous global immigration but “borders of countries touching having easier immigration vs. treating total foreigners the same as people on borders touching the usa.”

We need more diversity for the American dominion and Israel…
More strength through diversity.
Race is a social construct.

Homo sapient is the only species where appearance is superficial and no sub-species ever developed.

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You don’t realize it but this is unintentionally part of the American imperialistic parasitism narrative, the high wages.

Look at other countries, do you see any of these high wages?

Postal companies go on strikes to boost wages for themselves. There is no coherent oversight of the big picture. 90% of American startup businesses fail, for instance. Nobody puts 2 and 2 together why. Most of these online shops will charge you 10 dollars for shipping (besides some of these shops looking sketchy af) when Chinese offer free shipping all the way from China… But they want even more wages…to make America Great Again… magically, like Tariffs will magically make America Great Again…

Other countries learn to do more with less, riding bicycles, having smaller homes, etc. Higher wages requires parasitism of other nations, that is how Americans have higher wages.

The emphasis should not be on higher wages, but rather, taking from the rich and giving to the poor, reducing white-collar salaries, etc.

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This SHOULD BE common sense…

If one political party can import 10-15 million illegal aliens, and the other political party CANNOT deport any of them, then what’s going to happen each time political power shifts from right to left, right to left, right to left???

Eventually there will be a majority party that has no opposition.

This should NOT be rocket science, yet it seems to be for 99.99% of Americans.

Okay then, just allow foreign nations to vote in your political process then.

China and India win.

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man you just do not get it. Wake up!

The right-wing party is under the total control of Israel! Whites are compromised!