Neoliberal Open Borders Fallacy

I am reminded of a fish metaphor of a pond, in it are fishes of all sizes. Overtime the largest fish eat all the small fish, afterwards the largest fish start eating all the midsized fish once all the small fish are all gone.

One day there is no other fish to eat because the largest fish have eaten them all over time and so in order to not starve to death they start devouring each other until there are only two fish left in the entire pond.

Of course of the last two fish in the pond one must eat the other to survive, but even the last surviving fish will eventually again later on face starving but where the next time there will be nothing left for sustenance.

That is the problem of the zero sum game in this global pond of our own, overtime it exhausts itself out to the point of where there is nothing left at all. And in many ways we human beings are our own worst enemies to that fact. Maybe, just maybe, not everything has to be about exploitation or conquest. Maybe we can have the possibility of evolving past all that.

Of course, for a Nietzschean like yourself you’ll probably say that sounds like nonsense.

So totally different from how everyone else uses the term, how it’s defined in the dictionary, how it’s used in books about politics and economics, and how neoliberals themselves use the term:

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/

I think the US should open up its borders and allow Africans and South Americans, Mexicans in…
I want Americans of European descent to become a minority, just as Biden wanted…

Let’s make this an experiment on the lie…‘race is a social construct,’ therefore, populations are interchangeable, with proper edumacaiton, and socialization - social engineering.
Let’s see if this is so.

More so, let’s see if America’s system is racist.
America’s immigration policy changed in the 60’s…forced to abide by its own principle that ‘men are created’ and ‘are created equal.’
Up until then it contradicted its own beliefs by importing primarily from Europe…

The 60’s are seminal, for the Empire of Lies…
It is when the baby boomers came of age; Vietnam reminded Americans that they are not invincible; Frankfurt School began dominating US academia; Strauss began teaching young Troskyite children of Jewish immigrants from eastern Europe, who would become neo-cons, leading America’s foreign policy to this day; Kennedy was assassinated - ending the relevance of America’s presidents; and the US changed its immigration policies…

That was, I believe, the beginning of the end.
:face_with_raised_eyebrow:
But we’ll see, wont we?
We’ll see if the US will experience a rejuvenation by importing masses of Mexicans, Africans, and South Americans…or will it experience a drop in its median IQ, becoming more like Brazil, than China?
We’ll see, wont we?

I know the Chinese don’t believe the American lies about race being a social construct…they patiently wait for the US to destroy itself…with its own lies.

Then the flip…

So happy that his own kind will become a minority.

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Reddit is where the most delusional of bourgeois Americans congregate.

As I said earlier, I say neoliberals and neoconservatives because the newer faces of both political systems believe in absolutely nothing beyond the status quo maintaining economic capitalism, the dollar, or the warfare state. That is why I utilize both terms frequently.

Utopia isn’t possible, anybody with a functioning mind knows this, what is possible is a more efficient socially stable society of harmonious public order.

Utopia, for these postmodern fanatics is a world with no biological identifiers, where identity is determined socially…by an individual;s contributions to the collective.
Humans reduced to sexless, race-less, god-less, culture-less ideas.
Blank Slates to be socially programmed, through edumacation.

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I see, he flipped from 2020 to 2015. Do you think people can’t read?

I honestly don’t see why human beings with a melanin deficiency should be a dominant group in any country. As far as I can make out, we have been causing havoc in the world and still do. It is only through military strength that we maintain a hegemony in the world, first with the British Empire and then the American Empire.

When Britain was a backwater that Rome bludgeoned into its kind of order, nobody would have thought that through piracy, a world power would grow out of it, but Empires have expiry dates, and it was taken over by America. The U.S. has approximately 750 overseas military bases spread across at least 80 countries and territories, by far the largest of any country in history, accounting for roughly 90% of all foreign military bases worldwide.

The irony of it is, despite the current regime trying to hide its history, currently 31.2% of active-duty U.S. military personnel identify as members of racial minority groups, which includes Black, Asian, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, American Indian or Alaska Native, multiracial, and others. Hispanic or Latino ethnicity is tracked separately, accounting for another approximately 17.4% of personnel.

Until 1954, race inequality and institutionalised segregation were the primary reasons that a larger proportion of non-white Americans, particularly African Americans, were prevented from serving as combatants in the U.S. military for much of its history. It seems as though Trump is trying to change that again.

The title of the Michael Moore book, “Stupid White Men” is becoming up-to-date again.

It’s this kind of thinking as to why Donald Trump won the 2025 presidency, because white European peoples are tired of being vilified in every segment of society.

The more you neoliberals and democrats talk like this, the more you open up the gates of fascism you claim to despise. You practically push people to fascism with constant rhetoric like that.

We could have a multiracial and multiethnic socialist system that elevates all of humanity as one diverse unified collective, but every time you guys exclude one you endanger any opportunity of real unity for all people. If you exclude just one segment of human beings you destroy any authentic ethnic diversity that you supposedly support. You either support all of diversity or you simply don’t.

The election of Trump may have its treasons, but if accepting the truth of history is one of them, then America is going to fail anyway. A multiracial and multiethnic socialist system that elevates all of humanity as one diverse unified collective can only be built on truth. This means equality and not the dominance of one skin colour.

You are making the mistake of many modern people; you ignore the existing inequality and the subjugation of black and brown people, who rightly want to be seen as equals. The exploitation of the past must end if a socialist society is to be possible. That is what socialism is all about, and although it started as a European movement among white people who were subjugated, it was so very clear that colonialism and segregation would reveal an even worse inequality and exploitation.

We tend, since colonial days, to say that those fighting for us were “freedom fighters” and those fighting against us were “terrorists”, even if they were defending themselves against subjugation and oppression. The erasure of indigenous culture, traditions and lifestyle, the Christianization of colonised people, and the assumption that black and brown people were somehow inferior is still going on.

If fascism is the face of white people’s fear of a multiracial and multiethnic world, then we have to face the fact that it may, in the end, be the death sentence of white hegemony. The BRICS nations are trying to break the hold of the dollar, and African nations are throwing out colonising countries whose influence still undermines independence.

This may not please us, but if we accept that our dominance was due to our technology, which we have exported, the more the countries develop, the more autonomy they will want. It is the same with the black and brown communities in the Northern Hemisphere. The more access they have to education, the more they rise out of the oppression they have faced and show themselves to be equal in every way.

I’m not excluding anyone, but if fascism is the reaction of white people to this push from other ethnicities, then those white people are excluding themselves. There is this “chosen people” idea from Judaism that American Christianity took on, which is feeding this misconception.

Historically, fascist movements—such as Italian Fascism—constructed their ideology around notions of racial and cultural hierarchy, often positioning “white” or “Aryan” identity as superior and under threat from other groups. They emphasised the supposed spiritual and cultural superiority of Italians as part of the white race and justified colonialism and segregation on these grounds.

We have to overcome these biases to enable a diverse, unified collective, and the resistance only makes the transition more disturbing and violent. Only when we can embrace our black and brown brothers and sisters will a peaceful transition be possible, but it looks like this is what is being rejected.

And you think that’s how language works? You take well established terms and just make up new meanings for them?

Why don’t you just use a term that already exists or isn’t taken? Like “today’s liberals” or “modern liberals” or perhaps “woke liberals” (because of course not all modern people on the left believe in open borders, right? you know that I’m sure)

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Words are anchors, connecting concepts to actions; connecting ideas with pheneomna.

Like morality/ethics, or free-will - the will part -with ‘free’ being its qualifier, or race/ethnicity…or sex/gender…
Modern/postmodern Homo Americanus uses words to escape reality…having lost his Abrahamic convictions, he seeks a replacement salvation mythos…and a replacement scapegoat…

When postmodernism/modernism uses words to disconnect from actions and replace them with vacuous abstractions, or emootions, then they lose all reference to reality.

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I am so glad that the goodwill ambassador of the Reddit Community and Merriam Webster took the time to patronize me in the fine arts of language word usage here, me a lowly worker of the working class who works fifty hours a week with my hands constantly dirty in agriculture. I should bow and show some humility to my bourgeois patron here.

No, I’ve explained quite enough more than I should have as to why I utilize the words that I do.

Speaking of political views, what are yours? Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation here, or are you here to nitpick and annoy?

Woke liberal? That’s what neoconservatives refer to neoliberals as being, yes. Frankly I think they’re too generous, if it was up to me I would describe neoliberals politically as a suicidal death cult.

Not all neoliberals believe in unrestricted open borders concerning foreign immigration? Could of fooled me otherwise.

It’s could have, not of.

If you really think every liberal today agrees with every other liberal about stereotypical liberal ideas, you’re way too out of touch to even have an opinion. I think you need to talk to some real human beings, and stop ingesting politcs through memes.

Every place on the political spectrum is full of a huge variety of beliefs, and that goes for liberals, progressives, conservatives, libertarians - all of them. I don’t assume you believe all the same things as whatever broad political grouping you might identify in, because such an assumption is naive and short-sighted and clearly incongruous with reality.

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It’s politics, not politcs.

You come across as very self righteous and your assumptions about me are just down right insulting. In reality, you don’t know what I know, you don’t know much about me. You don’t even ask me what my views are on anything. Thanks for playing along here.

It’s insulting of me to assume you’re an individual with at least some unique views?

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You haven’t shown much interest from what I’ve seen, but when you’re interested in a serious conversation by all means let me know.

@Bob

Haven’t forgotten you over here, been a very busy day, and probably will be going into the weekend.

I am trying to organize my thoughts in a way to adequately respond to your last post addressed to me.

I had a genius realization. I had the realization while eating french fries. French are high iq, which I found fitting.

The genius realization is, I believe Mexicans can be high iq engineers and build infrastructure. The reason Latin America is inferior to the United States is not iq, but because of empathy. Latin America was founded on serfdom and abuse by capitalist land-owners. This is the same rot that is dooming the United States, serfdom and capitalist land-owners. @Bob @MrAuthoritarian

What I realized is, either way, same outcome. If the immigrants are kicked out then the white capitalist land-owners will doom the USA anyway. So I say do not kick the immigrants out in my opinion. This will avoid civil war and plus the immigrants can fight against capitalism as well. This will save the United States.

As for racial mixing I have a genius way to solve that as well. Transhumanism. Giving people anesthesia and removing their balls and putting a metal robotic component where their balls are. This will fix inceldom since women cannot have an excuse of wanting someone for their money. Since most sex will be non-reproductive. Men should have to get a license to reproduce, once they get a license to reproduce then they will be provided some balls they can plug into where their balls used to be, then they can actually reproduce. And this will be able to preserve all the races. Some racial mixing can be allowed now and then to keep things interesting.

Second thing is that Frankenstein is not ethics. Most humans violate Ecmandu and believe they have the right to be Frankenstein and bring life into the world. Creating life is uncivilized and unethical. Especially in poverty stricken areas. Life creation should be regulated

The tech I mentioned wont be ready for a while and I foresee the race mixing occurring on a slow scale, slow enough to remedied by the tech I just mentioned.

The Leftist always has a feminine position and stance on everything, I will give an example. Most or all leftists talk about immigration but not one says they themselves will move to Mexico to improve conditions in Mexico. Instead it is accepted as an absolute of Nature that Mexico cannot be improved for Mexicans and that it is simply the way of things for Mexicans to want to abandon their home country and immigrate northward. Nowhere is there any mainstream notion of leftists on a mission to Mexico to improve Mexico for the Mexicans so they won’t need to immigrate as much.

You are making the mistake of every modern person which is the mistake of idealism.

You want a grand utopia of multiracial and multiethnic society. But also you want a melting pot where all races become one.

You want a “diverse and unified collective”. That in of itself is a paradox. Unity is the opposite of diversity.

No it is wokes that ignore all inequalities between races. And true socialists do not want every race to be treated equally. If Africa is impoverished then extra engineering assistance should be given to Africa to fix the poverty, while rich nations need less engineering help. Not every nation treated equally

There hasn’t been any fair or egalitarian segregation. Its always been capitalist exploiters conducting covert warfare against every other race. Mr Authoritarian proposes a fair and egalitarian system of segregation where there are harsh penalties for racial oppression. You are criticizing a system that hasn’t even been tried yet. Like how right-wingers criticize imaginary communism that hasn’t ever existed in the real world

What is this “we” shit? You weren’t even around in the Colonial Era. I knew America were bullies since grade school. How is this news? Its always been about the oil. They bully other countries to get better oil deals. How are Americans supposed to be patriotic for their country when it just looks like a greedy cesspool of crooked capitalists? Where’s the morale? And if America falls do you think the world is going to turn into some kind of magical utopia? Is that what you and Satyr think?