Omnipresence is impossible

Earlier I made a statement that Omnipotence is impossible. This was in error. I have no proof that Omnipotence is impossible, but I have proof that Omnipresence is impossible.

In order for omnipresence to exist, there would have to be a lens at every inch of the galaxy grid. So for every cubic inch, there are 8 lenses. Then there would be gazillions, quintillions of lenses in the galaxy. Then the brain of God would have to process all these lenses simultaneously, requiring gazillions and quintillions of more processing power than futuristic ASI.

The Bible says that God is omnipotent and omnipresent. It says that God knows the exact amount of hairs on your head. This means that God is not merely able to view your own mind, but is physically outside of your mind as well, and omnipresent.

Omnipotence seems to be possible, but may be poorly defined. Omnipotence is defined as the ability to do anything that is logically possible. I believe it is possible to do anything that is possible, given enough time. Instantaneous omnipotence is probably impossible.

Knowledge that requires lenses is too late to be truly omniscient.

…for beings subject to time.

(āˆ‘E=Ek+Ep), conservation of energy[1], energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it merely transforms from one form into another; therefore energy is eternal

(E=mc^2), mass energy equivalence[2][3]; mass is a form of energy; therefore energy is immanently omnipresent

  1. Karl Friedrich Mohr (1837). Über die Natur der WƤrme (German ā€œOn the Nature of Heat/Warmthā€), published in the Zeitschrift für Physik; ā€œbesides the 54 known chemical elements there is in the physical world one agent only, and this is called Kraft [energy or work]. It may appear, according to circumstances, as motion, chemical affinity, cohesion, electricity, light and magnetism; and from any one of these forms it can be transformed into any of the others.ā€

  2. Isaac Newton (1717). Selected Queries from Isaac Newton’s Opticks https://inters.org/newton-opticks-queries ā€œAre not the gross bodies and light convertible into one another, and may not bodies receive much of their activity from the particles of light which enter their composition?ā€

  3. Henri PoincarƩ (1900). H. Arch. nƩerland. sci. 2, 5, 252-278 https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0608289

oops I seem to have posted the wrong material there…. here is a correction;

(E=mc^2), mass energy equivalence[2][3]; mass is a form of energy; therefore energy is immanently omnipresent

(E=ħω/2), zero point energy[4][5][6][7]; there is a particular amount of energy in ever single point in space; therefore energy is ā€˜transcendently’ omnipresent

Energy is a medium and some of it congeals (configures) in mass?

What about the Borde Guth Vilenkin theorem?

Wouldn’t that imply that there was a beginning, even though the whole is co-eternal with the one who began it?

You’re onto something here. Omnipotence, requiring Omniscience, requires that a Conscious Intelligent Entity would either ā€œknow everything in advanceā€ from the eternal past, or, knows everything past, from the future. In either case, a ā€˜Present’ entity cannot fulfill either necessity.

Only an omnipresent/omnitemporal one. Doesn’t need to see ahead or look back… already/still present in every moment.

Begging-The-Question, how would an Entity stay ā€œPresentā€ in the distant past, present, and distant future? Would it be immortal?

Okay then, show us an Immortal Entity. Evidence and Proof, please.

That would take forever.

Indeed, so you admit the preposition cannot be Proved or provided Evidence… that’s your problem, not mine.

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Your argument that God cannot have a lens everywhere is a better refutation of omniscience than omnipresence (though it would still need some work). Omnipresence is easily possible since there are numerous examples in our actual universe. Space, time, EM radiation, subatomic particles, Kim Kardashianā€˜s ass… these are all everywhere. And according to my theory, so is consciousness (so much for debunking omniscience).

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Thats 517 posts, much of which are Jupiter spam.

What is the crucial component of why you believe consciousness is omniscient?

We already know that consciousness is localized to our own bodies, so already there’s 0 evidence for that. So consciousness is everywhere but also localized to bodies, thats enough disproof already. It can’t be both everywhere and localized to bodies.

Wouldn’t it be funny if the universe was a mind localized to all physicality?

That’s exactly it, Itchy.

@futureone Jupiter is not contributing much; I’m pretty sure you can skip him (her?). You really only need to read the first two posts to get the core of my theory. That’s not a huge ask, now is it?

The crucial component of why I believe consciousness is everywhere is that my theory has consciousness (or more precisely, subjective experience) associated with any physical action or change whatsoever, not just brains and neurons. Anywhere where there is being, there is something being felt.

The consciousness that we know of is localized to our bodies. But I don’t believe that it starts and stops at the brain. I believe even the blood coursing through our veins experiences something. I believe the planets orbiting our Sun have consciousness. I believe every atom and molecule feels some quality of subjective experience. The question then becomes: why do we feel only our experiences (the ones associated with our brains) and not those of every other physical system to which we are connected? I explain that by distinguishing between what I call experiential consciousness (feeling things) and epistemic consciousness (knowing things). I maintain that we actually do experience everything that every other physical system to which we are connected experiences. That is, we are conscious of it experientially. But we are not epistemically conscious of them. We feel them but we don’t know it. We can’t know it. We feel them unconsciously (this obviously could use some unpacking, and I’ll be happy to do so, or you could read my theory–remember, only the first two posts, and I explain my theory of epistemic consciousness at the end).

As for evidence, we had this conversation before. I’m not approaching this from the position of having evidence or proof. I’m proposing a model of consciousness, matter, and the relation between perception and reality that I believe explains the mind/matter connection. I maintain not that I have irrefutable evidence that my theory must be true but that if my theory is true, it explains everything.

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Is it just your mind, or am we crazy?

God is omnipresent…what are you talking about.None of my posts are spam…you are just not used to hearing reality philosophy;science and psychology because you have been brainwashed with atheistic Santa Science and it’s Santa forces.

The consciousness experience is directly related to the vibratory balanced attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS that exist right now between all spinning particles and which hold all matter together to produce binary code 00,01,10,11.

My philosophy;science and psychology is totally sound.

Not contributing much?…..lol…..I’m the only one who is making any sense.

This is what happens when you stop believing in ā€œMr & Mrsā€ Claus, Schmupiter:

except like this:

I’m not a solipsist if that’s what you’re asking. I believe in other minds besides my own. I just say that if things are to exist at all, they must exist within a mind.

Thoughts exist gib and come in two forms.Automated thoughts and Manual thoughts.Its important to differentiate between the two.

The automated thoughts of the lifeless binary processing biological machine body need to exist to claim that they don’t exist.

You are separate from and more than Automated and Manual thoughts.

You have the sense TOUCH as well.Don’t underestimate the sense TOUCH because it’s what differentiates between the in and out of the moment consciousness states which you ā€œtoggleā€ (vibration) backwards and forwards between in any given moment.

You can control consciousness and in doing so control thoughts.

Atheists live in their heads ā€œprisoners of consciousnessā€

You go within and then come back out again all the time IN ANY GIVEN MOMENT ….don’t just go within and remain unaware of when you have come back out again.Learn more about consciousness and your relationship to it.Control your goings in and your comings back out again.KNOW!!! when you have gone within and KNOW!!! when you have come back out again.You think in the inward consciousness state….Learn to think in the outward consciousness state as well.

Awareness is not Consciousness gib.

The SELF is aware of the vibratory nature of consciousness and controls it.

The SELF interprets varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves emitted from vibrating matter.

The ā€œI amā€ is separate from SELF.