On the impossibility of knowing a true tenseless fact without omnitemporality

I think we need to stop thinking of every dot as standing on its own. There’s no such thing as a dot in isolation. You can never think of any less than three dots. Even when you’re thinking of one dot, you’re thinking of everything around it that sets it apart as a dot. So there is everything and there is the around it which contains everything and the dot. That’s three. But on a line there is the dot and there is the dot after it and there is the dot before it. That’s all you need to make a line. You can’t just have two dots because there’s no before (a priori, ontologically prior) or after (possible). You have to have before, herenow, and after. HereNow involves all three. And every point is Alpha Omega. It’s how much access we have that determines how many points we are at, or that are at us (impossible without an unlimited mediator, for beings subject to time).

The whole timeline, the moments composing it, the function demonstrated/expressed.

Going back-and-forth with Copilot on ambiguous language, or “Why it is so hard to articulate C theory.”

Copilot Articulates C Theory, Explains Why Triad Is Minimal (Irreducible) Structure, and Disambiguates Two Senses of Essence

(more time convos with Copilot will be posted in the Kripke thread)

Leveling Up to C Theory here

Lil bit more:

Regarding your recent short vid with a new definition of omnitemporality, it differs from your Equip course.

Section 3, Lesson 4, 5:

“Minimally, to be eternal is to exist without beginning and end. To say that God is eternal means minimally that He never began to exist and will never cease to exist. To exist eternally is to exist permanently. // There are…at least two ways in which something could exist eternally. One way would be to exist omnitemporally throughout infinite time. In this case God would have an immemorial and everlasting temporal duration. The other way in which a being could exist eternally would be by existing timelessly. In this case God would completely transcend time, having neither temporal location nor temporal extension.”

I would just like to point out that you say the timeless one is B theory (perceptualist), and means he cannot interact in time. You say the temporal one is A theory (conceptualist), which means he cannot be the OTHER eternal (omnitemporal). So as you have presented them, neither are viable to account for an eternal God. We need a C theory.

Before 46 minutes, Dr. Craig talks about Columbus and tensed truth/facts changing their truth value with the passage of time, but I still have this lingering question on his material regarding God’s knowing tenseless truth/facts: How can God know a tenseless 1492 fact that is embedded (timestamped) in time unless that time exists in some sense, and he knows what time it is in that sense, because not only is he immanent in thattime, he is omnitemporal (omniimmanent, omnipresent)? Would this be a synthesis of both A and B theories, or would it be a “kind” of (which?) one of those two theories?

Soon after in the vid…

Dr. Craig’s save of free will foreknowledge is counterfactuals/counterpossibles (alterfactuals). Why doesn’t that save free every-time-t knowledge? He says B theory knowledge is of something REAL. Does he think God’s foreknowledge is… not knowledge? He says if it were to fail to happen, God would know something else. How is that not also true for every-time-t knowledge? Isn’t his time traveler argument favorable to every-time-t knowledge?

at 1:21:00 ish: Saying that temporal becoming isn’t real just because all moments are real is like saying variations in qualities aren’t real because all qualities are real, or every person of the Trinity isn’t real because the Trinity is real.

at 1:23:00 the cross demonstrates eternal love despite our sin (but it won’t be forced without our consent, which is preserved/concurred at every time t) & is not a magic trick, the doctrine of the elect is more compatible with all time being real… & …All arguments about moments still being real nullifying the resurrection — you could use “the past is no longer real” to nullify it for the same fallacious reasoning.

1:35:00ish: Saying B theory necessitates God not acting in time (if that is in fact the case—we time theorists do love our antithetical scenarios, don’t we?) is why I suppose someone must articulate a better C Theory than she presented. Oy vey.

The conversation about the bones and resurrection was embarrassing. The whole physical universe will be new, man.

Well, well done, Emily. Love those shoes.

oh, hey look… somebody already started…

The search for Truth ends at Scripture …

"…and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Creation …

“… For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.”

God’s state of being…

“… From everlasting to everlasting”

Omnipotence …

“… I am God almighty …”

and

“… For with God nothing shall be impossible.”

God’s ultimate love…

“This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.”

The Bible is all that’s needed. We don’t have to add or subtract anything.

The verdict and warning …

Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it".

Omnitemporality :+1:

I know you did not just come up in here with presuppositionalism.

Imagine if the authors of the Bible before it was written had no biblical reference to make sure that God was the God he was claiming (with his behavior, if not with his words) to be. You don’t have to imagine it ‘cause that’s a real thing. Every author that added something new to the canon before it was even canonized… speaks against presuppositionalism.

And no, I’m not just trying to diss Martin Luther or sound more Catholic than I am.

There can be no center point without a circumference.

When I was a child devoid of knowledge I had no awareness of self; no subject there … no center point. Once obects became known to me, only then did I become aware of a self there. So the objects created the subject.

So now it’s the external circumstance (the object) and learned knowledge that continuously interact to create the “subject” (the observer) in real time.

Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind.

So I’ll let the world’s of God have a place with conviction in my new circumference.

Thessalonians 5:21 tells believers to “test all things; hold fast what is good,” which aligns with the reliabilist framework of analyzing the trustworthiness of a belief-producing process. Even though they are formed by a reliable cognitive process the evidence for them cannot be explicitly articulated.