On the impossibility of knowing a true tenseless fact without omnitemporality

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“Did you get Fs in school”

In fact, i did. Very many. Especially after being placed in the redirectional school run by halfwit staff and teachers that normal schools won’t employ… the ones that that sell weed and fuck the students when the students aren’t beating each other up. Some real Michelle Pfeiffer type shit.

The story goes: Over disciplinary old man who whips his boy so bad the social workers have to take pictures of the black and blue marks all over his ass and thighs scratches his head and wonders why his boy misbehaves in school, so he and the overpaid shrink decide to put em in a school circus environment to ‘make him better’. Strangely, i emerged from that school with even sdronger resolve that the world was full of shit. Later, after discovering Marx, i learned why the stressed out parents, why the underfunded schools run by degenerate trash, why the shrinks with private practices that advise parents against their children’s best interests, etc. I looked back and saw the whole display of the worst that liberal democracy can make of people. From my very inception, i have been in the hands of incompetents… and there are consequences for that like anything else.

You might say I wish god did exist SO THAT he might witness my heroic glory in this fight against him. He had awoken the beast when he made me and should have been much more careful.

Anyway, there came a point after the second wrongful institution incarceration that i just slept through class. Couldn’t wait to turn old enough to drop out. Meanwhile, I’ve got like a 123 IQ this entire time they’re putting me in and out of hospitals, reject schools and wilderness camps.

Must be some reason this kid ain’t doing well in school… and it sure as shit ain’t because he’s dumb. Let’s take the easy way out and blame the kid, not the degenerate adult parents, teachers, shrinks, and other clowns that capitalist society produces through all its subtle machinations.

Yup, I’m “that guy” that happens maybe once every age. A prime time interview waiting to happen. Whole cities shut down because people sit frozen in front of their TVs muttering in a soft anguished voice, “holy fuck i had no idea”.

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Except I do, and a lot of kids are in your shoes, and a lot of people like me are picking up the slack left by mom & dad (or their death, or their working multiple jobs to pay the rent, so forth). Because we don’t teach self-regulation in school. We teach slavery to impulse and blind obedience. Makes for better consumers and more manipulable labor.

Look at who we elect/appoint. Look at our heroes. Their greed and perversions go completely unchecked. It truly is a representative government.

So far.

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You’re gonna hold that grudge against me for the rest of your life, aren’t you?

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It was an oversight not to post this here previously:

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If God does not acquire knowledge of what time it is, then A Theory doesn’t cut it.

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No God does not acquire knowledge. He is eternally all-knowing and omnipresent. :slight_smile:

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That is simply impossible.

You cannot be all knowing & omnipresent… because… your local consciousness is contained within your body… and in order for God to be all knowing then he would have to know what it is like to have localized consciousness… if God has localized consciousness then God is not all-knowing…

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It’s possible. :rofl:

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Non-local means not confined to a frame, it doesn’t mean barred from a frame.

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When you say that if Joe had chosen something different, then God would have had different foreknowledge (this is perceptual language), you are saying that the conceptualist model subsumes the perceptualist model (the necessary includes all possibility). You argue against B Theory, or a conceptualist-only model, when you talk about God knowing what time it is. And if God does not acquire knowledge of what time it is, then A Theory (perceptualist-only) doesn’t cut it, either. What is your theory called, since it is neither A Theory, nor B Theory? I know you have mentioned that your hybrid theory includes God’s timelessness sans creation and either an intrinsic or extrinsic change to being/becoming temporal simultaneous with the beginning. Does that have a name? Does it rule out omnitemporality which permits every choice (tensed perceptual possibility/contingency) subsumed within perfection (tenseless conceptual necessity)—so that it isn’t “fore”knowledge… it’s omnitemporal omnipresence? Is this your theory? I say call it C Synthesis.

… because Love (quality/essence) is not love (substance/virtue) without demonstration (action … existantiation). You have to have all three, or you don’t have One.

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Review this:

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Wholeness is inclusive of all change (our contributions includ”ed” in real time)… apart from which it isn’t whole (expressing/demonstrating itself) … apart from which there can’t be change. The HereNow is like the magnet on an Etch-a-Sketch of spacetime… Every freezeframe, the now-magnet (blue) is in a different part of the whole spacetimeline (yellow whole space, red whole time, blue herenow). To a constrained observer, red whole time is past/future and “beyond the reach of the senses/detectors/observations,” only accessible to omnitemporality, whereas yellow whole space is only accessible to omnispatiality, EXCEPT (in both cases) at the blue HERENOW magnet (everything observable RIGHT HERENOW…being observed/membered*…) [only God’s blue magnet/real time (perceptual) is the “same as” (overlaps with) the whole of spacetime—yellow conceptual & red functional/relational)].

NOT p/remembered…that “stuff” stays in its (“pre”mixed with our contributions … in God’s AND our realtime…closest you get to Leibniz’ pre-established harmony*) spacetime…we see with the whole when that happens//the whole lets us see//just exactly like it lets us see/experience as we do as the magnet (with varying degrees of intensity…just like phases of waking/sleeping), but p/remembering is out of the limited observer’s grounded/physical spacetime context.

**Leibniz is to Kant as TULIP is to Norm Geisler’s “Chosen but Free”.

Quote me on NONE of this.

P.s. The “code” of this forum is mucking with my asterisks.

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Communication has a medium, method, and message. You don’t have an image/example of a person communicating with another person(s) without the original/model of the people who are (personhood who is) eternal communication.

The medium of communication itself is the whole universe of space and time, the method is Jesus fulfilling prophecy on the cross and resurrected in the sequence of time, and the constant message is active love despite changing and various circumstances.

Heraclitus got a bad rap. Plato, too. It is unnerving, but anyway.

What many say about the dao/tao… you can’t do that with opposite absolutes (which are not a thing). You have to reframe. After you read the below, reread it thinking about the dao/tao and how the dots in each swirl are the “twos”…and the entire face is the “one”.

The non-binary thinkers have co-opted the non-dualism (good being primary, evil being privation, rather than opposite, of primary) thinking…

But there’re two different dualisms going on here, which are good and evil, and mind and body, and somehow body/physical got linked with evil (in the case of the early gnostics).

And keep in mind there are only two sexes, and all else is disorder… a kind reframed as a blessing by Jesus (some who are tired of the game can understand this)… and they aren’t opposites.

The cooperation of twos, rather than being dualistic opposites, are necessary for threes (families). But for the original family, think of it like dividing a line into three equal parts with two interruptions into (but now) one, then joining the end points to make an equilateral triangle, and repeating this infinitely with every segment of each new triangle. It is one, and it is never not three, but in order for that to be the case, it had to allow for (incorporate as part of its being/unity) the “two” interruption(s) as part of the iterations. The interruptions (the iterations) are always subsumed/one. And we (every one) are made in the image of the original iteration, which does not mean chronologically first. And this sort of iteration doesn’t even need to require sex. But it’s fun if you play it right. If you try to denature the rules, or the body—to cheat—away from its original function (ultimately self=other), rather than back to it—it is an indication of brokenness/loss of function (a kind of death).

The Thingy (work in progress)…

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There is nothing a priori (before/outside) to God’s experience, or all of God’s experience is a priori relative to observers subject to time. God is coeternally immediate, present/immanent and active in every time/now (omnitemporal), and every space/here (omnispatial). His conceptual knowledge is not empty or false, but fully true—the Godhead contains (all yellow space) all actuality (every blue herenow) and potentiality (all red time)—is the whole of spacetime.

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Let’s use the spotlight analogy, but notice how it is neither A Theory nor B Theory, but a hybrid/synthesis (C Theory).

The HereNow is like a spotlight (observer) in spacetime. Every freezeframe, the spotlight-subject-to-spacetime is in a different part of spacetime, unable to experience all of space, or all of time. How much of space and time the spotlight can access depends on things like the reach of their senses.

In the The Harmonic Triads thread, the spotlight (herenow) is blue, time is red, and space is yellow.

Only an omnitemporal (all red), omnispatial (all yellow) being’s spotlight experiences every herenow (blue) without limit (without being “subject to” spacetime)—immediately, immanently, omnipresently—synthetic a priori incarnate.

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