Maybe this pessemism has something to do with living in Australia, Aidan and Feng?
Well I know Feng personally, and I’ve talked with him about it. Australia is as fake as America. Full of yobs, full of fake smiles, full of self-righteousness, full of violent optimism, full of make-believe nonsense. It grinds on you until you snap, and then you begin to see.
Fighting back? Why bother, why do you care either way?
Why do you care about being enslaved or beaten, when life is pain and suffering regardless?
So what? Not everyone wallows there, most grow out of it. It’s not sheeple that do this, it’s people that go from
sheeple->depression of mortality->giving the finger to the universe and continuing on our merry-self-defined way.
Please, give the finger the universe and proceed on your merry, painful if you choose, way. You can even have pleasure AND pain simultaneously, go explore S&M or something, it’s almost mainstream nowadays, you can probably set up a meet online. Try one of those female body builders, they can probably slap you around, wrestle you with one arm, pin you, and tell you it’s going to be painful. And that’s no joke, or it is, it makes no difference, they’ll wrestle you either way.
-Mach
So why do you want to go on with the band-aids? Is it not sensible just to blow everything up?
Aidan,
Stuck on this subject are you? Any converts?
It’s Mach’s idea to start this thread again, I’m not too keen anymore.
In my personal life I have about two converts, and they convinced themselves in their own time, I only told them it doesn’t matter if you admit it as nothing will change because you’ve always known.
I am sorry I can’t convert, I enjoy finding things beautiful, wonderful funny and educational. But hey, for what its worth, you present your perspective very well. Too bad niether of us will budge. We would just teeter tautor(get it? 
) all day long.
You were simply born into this world, you didn’t create it. As such, there is really not that much you could have done. I am not quite sure if you hate “life” period, or if you hate “the civilized” human life.
If you don’t like human life (especially in society), you can always move to live in the wilderness (unless you hate nature, too). There are people who choose to do so. You won’t escape suffering by living in the wilderness, but it might take your mind off the “evils of humankind”, and in any case, I believe it would be a more pragmatic approach to your philosophy.
P.S. If you just hate “human life” in general, then I am inclined to think that you are referring to “human condition”. If you do hate human life in that way, then you might find a relief in knowing that it’s temporary, and maybe even consider finding happiness in living as an absurd hero.
I hate everthing, everything is the result of my creation on the earth, even the stars.
I don’t live as an absurd hero, nor ever will, I just live knowing I can’t do anything about my pain, so there is no need to be absurd, I’m just emotionally enslaved like anyone else.
I don’t see why it’s so much for someone to stop procreating…it’s not going to benefit you or the created person.
A life lived in this world can’t be a lie unless it is forgotten.
A dream is real for the length of it’s duration.
I’ll start this up again…Isn’t it just really fear of death, and not “lying” that keeps you alive?
I think physical stimuli or some primordial instinct of primalism inside ourselves keeps us alive although I will say the delusional moral proposition to never lie down to the fear of death where we are afraid of being erased of our immortal pursuits are extrinsic forms of false motivation.
You might like this documentary.
Thats what i was thinking
Well the thing is, pessimism and optimism is not about whether life is fair or good or wonderful or not, its simply how you view things. If we are going to get straight to the point though, pessimism breeds depression, anger, laziness and most of all failure. Ever hear of a gold medalist that was certain they couldn’t do it? Would anyone ever try anything if they didnt have some hope that they would succeed? In rational eyes its always better to be an optimist, if you succeed its great if you fail, you look on the failure as a cloud with silver lining. So it doesn’t just make you successfully it makes you enjoy that success too. Optimism is something we should all try and do, but with anything thats worthwhile, its hard to obtain, which is why so many go down the pessimistic road willingly.
An Optimist would say that its a love of life, not a fear of death.
Yeah, that too. People tell me you also need to lie in the conscious sense, rather than the subconscious.
Is the optimist telling the truth? I don’t think so. How could anyone love life, when it clearly does not love you? You are a slave.
And what is this half-baked shit about how pessimism breeds this and that, who gives a fuck?! What does this mean if optimists succeed in life better? Succeed in what? Succeeding in being delusional dickheads. They are the same as pessimists, they go nowhere and mean nothing, and they realise it too, only they’re too weak to admit it.
I’m sorry, was this an excuse for “optimism”? I’m disappointed…because it seems more like mental perversion from society to make you think that, like suicide.
A classical case of resentment: “I feel miserable, therefore everyone should feel miserable.”
“Life” does not love you, because “life” is an abstraction. There may be beings in life (alive) who do love you, though. And anyway, at bottom we do not love life or anything in life, but our love itself.
Likewise, what you hate is your hate, not life.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc, love our love or hate our hate, it does not follow. We hate the things that interfere, not the emotion itself, that’s called pain.
Anymore excuses?