You shouldn’t forget Qatar, that’s the second sex tourism hub after Tel Aviv. Like two conjoined twins of the Middle East.
Yes…capitalism feeling the threat, adjusted…and so it sacrificed profits to keep the middle class content…preventing Marx’s predicted revolution.
Now, with no such ideological threat, capitalism is taking back what it had sacrificed.
The problem is, the US is in decline…the ideological threat has been replaced by a threat on its hegemony.
China adapted, inspired by capitalism, and integrated capitalism into its socialism.
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United States capitalism will fall and when that occurs the starving masses will be begging for socialism, they’ll be begging for communist revolution.
Currently the Chinese own the United States treasury market, everybody knows this because the capitalists practically handed this nation on a silver platter to the Chinese in 2008 with the corporate bailouts of American industries entirely with Chinese money.
All this is off topic…a perfect excuse for Carleas to remember the rules he selectively enforces.
so, let’s return the topic to its origins…
We’ve agreed that history begins no more than 10,000 years ago, under the perspicuous tutelage of this forums administration…
So, nothing before 6 0000 BCE will disturb our Marxist , Liberal agenda.
There were no races until…until trade began…capitalism.That’s the culprit.
Environment had zero effect on humans, except…EXCEPT physically…cosmetically, superficially…
That’s our starting point for our narrative.
All human diversity in academic and athletic performances was caused by…trading…capitalism.
Mostly the white devil who profited by appropriating the genius creativity of other people…mostly brown people.
Discuss…
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The Sahara was green, it is not comparable to the Fertile Crescent, whose climate history favored plants that produced edible fruits, and animals useful to humans as both food and labor. And it isn’t placed at the hub of migration between Africa, Europe, and Asia.
But to the extent we’ve explored the civilizations of the green Sahara period (which is not much, and much less than we’ve explored early human civilizations elsewhere), we find civilizations developing there in tandem with development in neighboring Mesopotamia, populated by human groups related to modern Sub-Saharan Africans. The desertification of the Sahara deprives Sub-Saharan Africa of both the abundance of the green Sahara and the abundance of human trade networks. Human groups on the north and east of Africa, not cut off by the largest desert on earth, continue to resemble other parts of the trade network in terms of civilizational and technological development.
Cranial capacity isn’t a great predictor of intelligence, especially across species – even closely related species, e.g. gorilla’s brains are 20% larger brains than chimps, but chimps are much smarter than gorillas. And even within modern humans, the correlation between brain size in IQ is far from complete.
(Going forward, I’m going to try to use ‘sapiens’ to refer to modern humans, because neanderthals are also humans in the sense that they are part of the genus ‘homo’; I’ll use ‘humans’ to refer to all members of the genus. Apologies in advance for when I inevitably screw this up)
The fact that neanderthal DNA only exists in fragments in sapiens suggests that sapiens entering lands populated by neanderthals out-competed them, and mostly killed them off. Given that humans’ evolutionary niche is intelligence, sapiens out-competing neanderthals suggests that humans were more intelligent than neanderthals before intermixing with them despite differences in brain size.
It’s certainly possible that the combination of sapiens brain structure with neanderthal brain size would create especially smart humans, but it’s as likely that neanderthal admixture would have negative effects on brain function, but still be selected for due to e.g. climate adaptations.
I’m not denying the application of this to humans, and we can see it clearly in skin color, fat retention, disease resilience etc. – I’ve also always found it interesting that Tibetan foxes’ eyes look so distinctly Asian, which is probably just coincidence but does make me wonder about a common evolutionary pressure on people and foxes in the area.
But you’re assuming that intelligence in humans was mostly selected for because it helped humans overcome their environmental, and I don’t agree with that assumption. If intelligence in humans is mostly about intra-species competition – i.e. competition between humans – then we would expect intelligence to continue to be selected for in isolated human groups, even if their environmental stressors are different.
If you aren’t some Marx-woke-lib-denier you should be able to admit that the conditional holds.
No real serious Marxist or communist believes in social utopia, a better world to the current one, yes, a social utopia? Definitely not.
Now neoliberals on the other hand definitely believe in social utopia, something about the oldest amongst them being remnants of the hippie Woodstock era that they’ve never been able to shake off that lingers with them to this day. The entire geriatric force of neoliberals full of aging hippies from that accursed generation of the 1960s.
In the neoliberal social utopia the price and costs of everything remains perpetually cheap unchanging almost to the point of remaining static so the bourgeois can frolic in their middle class neighborhoods uninterrupted of the lifestyle they’ve been accustomed to where Pedro smiling mows their entire lawn trimming the bushes for a cheap price of $10.00 hourly.
The neoliberal social utopia is one where their unsustainable lifestyles is somehow sustained indefinitely and where consequences of their lifestyles doesn’t exist.
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Who said…this nonsense?
If intelligence in humans is mostly about intra-species competition – i.e. competition between humans – then we would expect intelligence to continue to be selected for in isolated human groups, even if their environmental stressors are different.
What part of environment do you misconstrue as entirely human?
Were other humans the only factor of adversity?
Are you serious, man…you cannot understand that environment includes EVERYTHING…not only other humans?
Other species, plants, weather, geography, climate, sunlight, random natural disasters, viruses, bacteria, worms, insects…do I have to force feed you this?
Wow!!
Incredible.
Listen dude, the world started 6000 years ago, stay there.
Nothing happened, of any importance, before trade started.
It fits your liberal, Marxist model.
Don’t think beyond it…stay there.
Evil trade barons caused all human disparities…except the physical.
Environment only affected the human body…until those evil capitalist traders…mostly white, I assume, entered the scene.
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That’s borderline heretical in American-land along with the disproportionate amount of plantation owners themselves.
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Sometime I will have to expand upon my separate but equal under law and government ideal for society as a whole as my way of addressing the problems of a multiracial balkanized west. For me it is the best possible outcome in trying to appease all sides of the debate. Nationstates having different independent ethnic or racial territories of people but falling under the jurisdiction of the same government working together in cooperation separately. There would even be some places set aside for cosmopolitans who don’t like separate ethnic cultural enclaves as well. Everybody is happy, well, in theory anyways.
In my Marxist and communist society in the west there would be separate racial or ethnic cultural enclaves everywhere. There would be Little Mexicos, Chinatowns, Odessas, Harlems, Germantowns, Irishtowns, and so on. In these racial or ethnic cultural enclaves only people of the prevailing ethnicity are allowed to own businesses, own houses, or own property there. Nobody else can if they’re not a part of the prevailing matching ethnicity.
You can visit these places as an outsider traveling freely and even enjoy the local businesses of those areas in the name of open commerce but that’s it. I can visit Chinatown, enjoy some of the restaurants there, buy things from their shops, and enjoy whatever it has to offer as a visitor it’s just that I can’t live there owning any property as an outsider that would infringe upon their ethnic racial cultural enclave. This would be the same thing for every different ethnic and racial enclave within my nation.
Likewise there will be some areas of the nation that are unassigned for the cosmopolitans to enjoy and congregate in as well where different races or ethnicities can live together. It just depends upon what regional locale you’re living or traveling in. Just a small example of what I am talking about.
When I talk about all different racial and ethnic enclaves working for the betterment of the nation it would be something like Little Mexico leading in the meat industry, Chinatown leading in electronic chip manufacturing, and Germantown leading in carpentry. All of the different ethnic and racial enclaves contributing to the overall economic health of the nation but all of them falling under the jurisdiction of the same government politically that oversees all of them. All citizens of different races and ethnicities enjoy equal protections under the law having the same rights of the state. Everybody is equally and fully represented.
I feel this approach is a sensible one but of course it’s just a rough draft of an idea I am working on.
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This is a good approach. I have an improvement however which is that each enclave has 2 zones, the center zone where they live and do recreation and an outer zone where they do business and recreation. This creates a trustful society. With only those who fit into the center zone. When people are around the same phenotype as themselves they feel more comfortable. When around male strangers and male outsiders they feel a lack of trust.
Alright so your opinion is trade or lack of trade influences intelligence.
I posted that cold increases intelligence this was told me by Ai that African man became Cromagnon and the cold selected for intelligence. This is the same Ai who the other day tried to convince me that race is only a social construct, even them has told me that cold increases intelligence and Cromagnon was selected for intelligence.
The chosen ones know…whitey must go…
They’ve convinced imbeciles that tribalism is bad, whilst defining themselves using their tribal designation…
This is how idiotic they’ve made many people under the American dominion.
Race is a social construct…buuuut…their race is written in the bible, so that’s okay.
Open borders for all…except…one place.
Ethnic cleansing is evil…buuuut, in one place it’s justified.
It’s all about being circumcised.
If you have the mark of…divinity, having paid your gram of flesh, sacrificing your foreskin, as a sacrificial offering proving your emasculation, before the divine dick…you can do whatever you want, and these libtard morons will not notice…they will not make a peep in protest.
But they will notice if you are proud of being white…or if you dare critique the chosen ones…
The liberal atheists first, and foremost will be appalled…calling you a Nazi…because, you know, the Holocaust.
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Different sources of adversity apply selective pressure in different directions. Like the lack of sun in the far north selected for lighter skin, not intelligence. Agree?
My claim is that the part of our evolutionary environment that pushed us from chimp-level intelligence to human-level intelligence is sexual and social selection driven by intra-species competition with other humans.
And that matters because, while Sub-Saharan Africa and Northern Europe offered different types of adversity, they both had other humans. If the selective pressure that led to intelligence was about intra-species competition, then isolated human groups would have continued to face selective pressure towards intelligence after they were isolated from each other.
Sarcasm is a fear reaction. Rather than confront the weaknesses in your theories, you deflect and beat up strawmen.
If you want to talk about ancient humans, answer this: Why did sapiens wipe out neanderthals everywhere they came into contact?
No, the hypothesis I’m defending here is that the differences in the development of civilization and technology are better explained by trade networks than by differences in intelligence.
I would also argue that the evidence doesn’t support the idea that there are significant innate differences in intelligence between human populations, but that isn’t a premise of my argument here. Rather, I’m arguing that observed differences in civilizational and technological development cannot be used to support the belief that there are innate differences in intelligence between human populations.
Cold and intelligence do appear correlated, but it isn’t clear that that is the result of selection. In the US, variations between states in IQ and temperature show the same pattern, but that can’t have been the result of selection because the populations haven’t lived there for long enough. [1] The trend also persists when controlling for race, so it seems that cold increases IQ within individuals rather than through selective pressure.
Yes, and now China is tired of it, they took advantage of western idiocies for a long time. They are divesting dollars now. BRICS is coming.
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Washington D.C. , London, Brussels, and Tel Aviv will create World War III first though before allowing that to happen, practically guaranteed. Iran will be the next inflection point.
However, the Chinese and Russian nuclear arsenals are superior to the American one, if not in quantity certainly in sheer explosive firepower of individual bombs. Plus hypersonic missiles, and coastal nuclear missile subs and embedded nuclear devices along the US coastal shelves in the oceans, all of which Russia has and the US would have a very hard time trying to stop. China and Russia both have by far the largest atomic bombs on earth. Russia’s largest, if detonated over DC, would be seen half the country away, from the midwest.
The problem with WWIII is that it’s a real lose-lose for everyone. The world-controllers have their bunkers and underground cities stocked, but the problem they face is: 1) China has 4x as many people as America, and half of those are males most of whom can be drafted into the army. An army larger than the entire population of America is nothing to laugh at, considering China has already infiltrated key areas of America with hidden stockpiles, weaponized drones, and are also massing non-uniform troops in both Mexico and Canada at the borders. And China’s navy is growing exponentially faster than America’s navy is. And 2) In terms of Russia: their population density is like 1/4 that of America’s, so nukes are less problematic for them, and Russia already prepares its people to get to shelters and bunkers right away. Russia is ready. America is not. China probably isn’t too, especially if the Three Gorges Dam is hit. But still.
The western dominance depends on the very fragile balance of infrastructure and technology supporting both its military globally and its financial dominance under the dollar-based reserve banking system and swift. A nuclear exchange, even a very minor one, could easily disrupt both for an extended period of time. Rural areas in America would be OK, surrounded by farms and fresh water sources. But the urban areas where all the libtarded and neocon “elites” live, would become Escape From New York almost overnight.
They know all this. I suspect it is why they have not pulled the trigger on WWIII yet. They are waiting for some sort of edge, most likely they are doing a shit ton of covert cyber attacks and espionage against Russia’s and China’s nuclear delivery systems. Or they intend to trigger Russia’s and China’s nukes remotely through a virus or some other means, maybe HAARP-caused or DEW-caused massive earthquakes creating blackouts and mass fires coupled with a surprise attack on all nuclear launch sites… but still. All it takes is a couple Russian or Chinese nukes to get in the air, and both nations have hidden nuclear subs in the oceans surrounding America.
And not to mention, one single nuke of any size could reduce Israel to nothing at all. All it would take is just… one.
America also has great deterrents including its stealth bombers arsenal constantly circling the north pole ready at a moments notice to rain nuclear hell down anywhere on the planet. So for now at least, the game is a stalemate. Hence the subtler power-shifts here and there, local conflicts prevented from escalating, gradual slow development of BRICS and dedollarization, etc.
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Agreed, but given the choice of losing power indefinitely versus destroying the entire world our elites will choose destroying the entire world. For them the average life of a peasant is hell on earth, should they ever fall so low to become ones themselves, so they’ll opt out for total destruction instead.
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My claim is that the part of our evolutionary environment that pushed us from chimp-level intelligence to human-level intelligence is sexual and social selection driven by intra-species competition with other humans.
Now you are shifting your views…the goalposts, as you said.
Where I included both nature and nurture, emphasizing nature over nurture, you placed all your marbles on nurture…implying that those evil capitalist traders were responsible for human disparity…because, according to you, human IQ had reached its peak in Africa…no?
80,000 years of physical changes…not affecting the human brain…this is how ridiculous you’ve become to preserve your self-comforting ideology.
Marxism.
In the real world, that period in pre-history, was not characterized by population density…but by a crucial factor, which you routinely neglect…isolation.
Zero competition between populations that have become separated and isolated from each other.
Isolation, time, and environmental stressors…isolation is a contraction of your hypothesis.
Without isolation a population cannot become disitnct, because whatever genes prove advantageous will spread within the entire population.
When Darwin came up with his theory, he studied Galapagos finches.
Mainland finches, and those that had become isolated on an island off the coast…NO contact…no intra-finch competition…nor any intra-finch cooperation.
Same thing happened with bonobos and chimpanzees.
Isolation is crucial for speciation to occur…and for a variant to emerge, a sub-species, like human races.
And that matters because, while Sub-Saharan Africa and Northern Europe offered different types of adversity, they both had other humans. If the selective pressure that led to intelligence was about intra-species competition, then isolated human groups would have continued to face selective pressure towards intelligence after they were isolated from each other.
Yes, and by looking at the consequences we can see which traits were naturally selected.
Which environment selected the traits required to produce innovation…the adverse one, or the one that remained stable and relatively unchanged?
Which one required creativity?
Just look at what occurred afterward…look at the quality of civilizations, juxtaposing and comparing those that developed in the sub-Sahara and those in Asia and Europe.
It’s not hard when you actually have integrity, and not an agenda…and if you don’t allow emotion to cloud your mind.
If you want to talk about ancient humans, answer this: Why did sapiens wipe out neanderthals everywhere they came into contact?
Not even experts agree on this one. They don’t know why humans outperformed Neanderthals.. Some believe the neadtertal was too massive, requiring more food, which was hard to find during the Ice Age…others think the Neanderthal lacked the creative edge, relative to homo-sapiens…
Whatever the reason Europeans and Asians have Neanderthal genes, and Africans do not…which means that humans and neanderthal could still interbreed, which means that those populations that splintered off a common ancestor did not separate, isolate, and evovle, for long enough to finalize speciation, preventing interbreeding.
Same as the human races.
Why did some races dominate, others?
Creativity…
I had my 23 and me test…and they gave me the percentage of Neanderthal genes I carried.
Asians do not have as much…meaning those tribes that turned eastward, through the “fertile crescent” did not all mix with Europeans.
Why did they not stop there, if it was a paradise?
Why did humans migrate into Siberia, and then North America, and then South America?
Were they mad?
No, it’s because there were no farming settlements back then…no civilizations, and there was competition and environmental pressures…no trade…zero trade.
We’re discussing tens of thousands of years before settlements and farming and trading.
That’s when human sub-species developed.
Sarcasm?
You believe races began 6,000 years ago, or when trading started…which was 3,000 years ago, so I doubled your Marxist nonsense.
Like the Bible…the world is 6,000 years old…right?
You refuse to admit that during those 80,0000 years, prior to civilizations, is when human sub-species, races, splintered and became distinct… each one with different psychosomatic traits selected within their respective environments.
Explaining why some races are better athletically and not good academically…different races have difference ranges for every single human trait…including IQ.
And this is the real reason some have lower median incomes, and are more prone to commit violent crimes, and have no great innovations to show…not capitalism…capitalism exploits what has already been selected naturally.
Capitalism exacerbates what is already present.
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By the way…you have no clue what forces shaped your anti-race delusions and why…
There’s more than one way to exterminate a people…you only know of the violent kind…the ehtnic cleansing, remaining selectively blind to what is actually occurring.
All you know is that race is a social construct and certain groups are beyond criticism…
You’ve been taught a victim hierarchy, and you remain loyal to the totem-pole of victim-hood.
The entire thing is self-serving, because you feel the victim of natural selection, don’t ya, Careless?
Those dirty capitalist traders…with their profit margins.
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You presume all this from my statement above.
Dont take my word for it
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/australian-men-rank-among-most-misogynistic/
Excerpt
Australian men were once again the second-highest cohort surveyed, this time behind Saudi Arabia, to agree with the statement that “gender inequality doesn’t really exist.”
No need to import. Laugh
Did I complain?
No.
Has Feminism gone too far?
Yes.
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