ruthless people

To achieve success in life you have to be mostly ruthless, tough. Strong - whatever it means. Some people say you should be assertive.
What and where is the difference between someone who is “ruthless” and who is “assertive”?

What is a process and why people become slowly ruthless instead of assertive?
For example.
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To me assertive is more a defensive technique and ruthless is an offensive one.
You do not have to put someone out to be assertive. Generally it means you dont let people walk all over you, it does not mean you have to walk all over everyone else to do this. To be ruthless implies that your goal comes first over everything, and everyone.

I’d totally agree with that… being assertive is a good thing / being ruthless means leaving casualties on your way up!

I also agree.

Too bad it’s better to be an asshole than a decent and fair person. Sometimes I wish I was an asshole. :-({|=

The ruthless suffer in the end: career burn-out, loss of respect from colleagues, etc - ruthless doesn’t mean they are the best person for the job either, and I think many companies are realising that lately, so we can hopefully get far on our niceness alone! :smiley:

Hi :slight_smile:

Thank you for your comments.
However, however… in some countries RUTHELESSNESS is something ROOTED.
You cannot achieve anything without elbows. For example me - I would be 5 times or 10 times more sucessfull person if I had elbows in my life. These are only elbows that I didn’t have in my country to have my aims completed now.

So I have quite different question - maybe psychology isn’t the same everywhere in this world?
Maybe what really and only exists is only psychology of NATIONS. Of societies.

For example some societies don’t need a notion ASSERTIVENESS. You have to be OBEDIENT there.

Sometimes I think psychology is only an imagination… :frowning:

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ps. I think - can you be assertive in Germany or in Russia? Does it pay? Noooo (as I think).
I am not sure who first invented the word “assertiveness” - I think surely noone in Germany
or in Russia. There are really many aspects that these two nations have in common.
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PS. Does any psychology really exist? :unamused:

I guess that would depend on your definition of success.

Psychology is changable within societies, but I think people only see psychology as the study of psychological conditions. This is not the case, its simply the science of mind, and it encompasses emotions, cultural differences, even species psychology. Psychology is not an exact science, but you can draw alot of paralells between the way a humans and a monkeys brain works, so its obviously not all cultural. Thre are infact reasurchers dedicated to the exact question that you asked, which normally comes under the heading Nature vs Nurture. If you do a bit of reasurch it becomes clear that neither is responsible for the full behaviour of a person, but rather they are both partially responsible

What is success? Success is making something USEFUL in your life.
Something that will leave some traces after your dissapearance.
That’s a success to me. Some visible and useful marks.
What can they be?
It all depends on what you do generally.
The higher you go, the more complicated things you should produce.
The more skilled you should be intelectually.
Is it always like that?
Not always but when mostly not - why does it happen?

Who cares… you say - I care.
And that’s enough to me.

the_botanist

The reason I asked is because I think that success entirely depends on what it is you want to do, and alot of these different ideas of success do not require elbows

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If you want anything in life you have to forcibly take it.

God helps those who help themselves :slight_smile:

God helps noone. I help myself. In the absence of god there is only yourself.

God is society…When you reach the top of societies pyramid by helping yourself and being ruthless, all below will support you.

Even my best friends will say that I’m the biggest asshole they know. I say to them, “how else will I ever survive?”

God and society can be defied. I despise both of them.

If they were real gods they wouldn’t be able to be defied, now would they?

Each of us have somthing were excellent at. :laughing:

perhaps they have given you the illusion of defiance… perhaps they made you in such a way that you want defiance, and any defiance you achieve is largley illusory… having been provoked…

I was speaking of god metaphorically. Another translation would be that I am my own God and helping ones self means being your own god by helping your self.

Or maybe if God only helps those who help themselves, then doesn’t that imply that there is no God?

You know that I’m basically an atheist Joker.