of course if you don’t have the force to make your FUCK YOU worth anything…
-Imp
Well, if you’re from China then you must be aware that Private interests now own most of the means of production. In fact, the government is selling off State Property as fast as they can.
That in fact you don’t live under a Socialist Society, but rather a Capitalist one, modified by being a Fascist totalitarian State.
I wish you well, but not a system that I would want to live under.
Dave
Why force people to choose one of these? Why not mix them or choose a different system? Which is better depends on you. If you’re smart and/or hardworking or rich, choose Capitalism; otherwise Socialism is for you.
I choose neither too.
What about anarcho-primitivism? The air quality will be better that’s for sure.
Socialism and capitalism have more or less accomplished the same end, disrupting the traditional way of life of the people and putting them into one or another form of factory. In so doing they build infrastructure and eradicate the natural environment not only putting all life on Earth in danger but also making it impossible for the people to return to a traditional way of life.
socialism is better of course. it gives an equal opportunity for people to succeed, taking away all the inequalities of inherited capital and control of means of production that place people with lower abilities ahead of people with higher abilities but born into an environment away from the control of the means of production, that you find in “liberal democracy”.
yes, socialism will force you to see a doctor who doesn’t know what he is doing…
have to force the “people with lower abilities ahead of people with higher abilities”
free health care?
-Imp
Agreed… that on top of all the waiting in lines of people, many of whom might not even need to be there. Did you watch John Stossel’s story on the real facts with regard to Moore’s movie Sicko? Pretty revealing stuff.
By the way, I love the sig pic.
With almost fifty million people in our country, whose only health care is the emergeny room, I find this an absurd argument.
I have yet to see “Sicko,” but I certainly do see real life. If you can afford health care AND some burocrat approves your needs, why yes, US medicine is top notch.
Money talks in the US, and for that matter, if you’re wealthy, it has a language of it’s own whereever you are.
It’s funny to see Guiliani bad mouth and LIE about Great Britain, talking about the suberb care he recived here - And of course that superb care was brought to him by a socialist system, that the privledged politicians award themselves.
Dave
Socialism also has a way of dulling initiative and inventiveness. Capitalism spurs on advancement of creativeness.
13 trillion dollars GDP, the richest country in the world, one of, if not THE, most industrious and once in possession of the largest amount of raw reserves…and no universal healthcare. I am a capitalist, and I do agree that capitalism does reward the able who are given the opportunity to be rewarded, but the figures in this case are absolutely ludicrous. Pure capitalism and pure socialism are both impractical. Pure capitalism makes the government self-serving and socialism destabilizes the economy but a mix is necessary. How much of a mix relies on the government but the figures here are ridiculous.
I find this a reasonable point of view, although ultimately I am a Libertarian Communist/Anarchist… 
An honest and decent Capitalit system is better than a corrrupt Socialist System. And vice versa. Incentives of course are a legitimate argument in favor of Capitalism - But where is it written that you can’t reward innitiative under Socialism? True, no Socialist Society will award you 200 billion dollars for owning Microsoft, but I would imagine that a couple of million bucks would be incentive enough for anyone.
Creativity is of course its own reward, but financial incentive don’t hoit…
On the other hand, the chairmen of Merril Lynch was just fired. And like all of us, he had to settle for a mere 200 million in severance pay, as a reward for his incompetence. Is this incentive? Sort of makes me wish my boss fired me as well…
Last time I mentioned this to him, he just looked at me in a puzzled manner, and actually had the gall to turn his back. I ask, (rhetorically of course) is this fair? I, after all am NOT incompetent.
Dave
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capitalism advances creativeness? you don’t realize what capitalism actually is. let me guess you believe there is a “upper, middle and lower” class 
you’re not a capitalist, you’re a defender of capitalism you don’t have control over the means of production 
you are not at the top of a surplus value pyramid scheme
there are
-Imp
Capitalism often recognises the superiority of Socialism. Which is why we have a “Socialist” postal service. Private enterprise simply can’t make a profit if they had to deliver mail to Everyone.
When Socialist Government programs are allowed to exist, they deliver services far cheaper and more effectively than private enterprise - Which is why TVA is almost the cheapest supplier of electricity in the country (those who are cheaper, are also government owned)
From time to time, there are attempts to “privatise” these incredible and successful enterprises - when they do, prices skyrocket.
Medicare spends less than two percent of its revenue on administration - Private health care systems spend between 20 and 30 percent just on administration.
There are example after example of this. But we live under the “propaganda” that government can do nothing efficiently.
True, a “corrupt” government program is worse than an honest Capitalist one - But is that saying anything?
Dave
hahaha and there are equal opportunities for everyone to succeed in a capitalist “democracy”. “Long live the American Dream” 
Capitalism often recognises the superiority of Socialism.
no, it does not
Which is why we have a “Socialist” postal service. Private enterprise simply can’t make a profit if they had to deliver mail to Everyone.
we have no such thing. ask ups and fed ex about economical delivery service
When Socialist Government programs are allowed to exist, they deliver services far cheaper and more effectively than private enterprise
where is your huge list of examples?
- Which is why TVA is almost the cheapest supplier of electricity in the country (those who are cheaper, are also government owned)
evidence
From time to time, there are attempts to “privatise” these incredible and successful enterprises - when they do, prices skyrocket.
evidence?
Medicare spends less than two percent of its revenue on administration - Private health care systems spend between 20 and 30 percent just on administration.
evidence?
There are example after example of this. But we live under the “propaganda” that government can do nothing efficiently.
and you have not provided any of it. your “claims” are not enough.
True, a “corrupt” government program is worse than an honest Capitalist one - But is that saying anything?
Dave
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have no fear, your glorious revolution is coming soon
-Imp
yes, there are equal opprotunities
opprotunities NOT results.
-Imp
what is IMP?
and also how can there be equal opportunities for something when i’ll give an analogy to help you understand clearly : imagine a 1500 metre race. there are 2 competitors. one competitors starts 500 metres away from the finish, the other starts at the very beginning. in capitalist “democracy” the idea is that both competitors start at the same time. the fact is that someone is at a severe disadvantage from the start.
no, the head start analogy is not applicable…
-Imp