This also has the Turkish feel.
Greeks get pretty pissed off when they learn that their folk music sounds totally Turkish to core Europeans. The reason is that for 100s of years Greece was under the yoke of the Ottoman empire.
So - this, once again might remind you guys of Europe, but not real Europeans outside Greece would think so.
This is West Asian music.
Instruments similar to the one the right can be found as far a field as Vietnam, but not in Europe.
In China they are called Erho, in Cambodia the Tro, where they are made with Coconut shells; Đàn tính in Vietnam.
lawl ever heard of the violin?
Here we see a very similar instrument, but with two cavities instead of one, already closer to what we know as the guitar-violin family of strings:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bS3hn1ogzo[/youtube]
It must be assumed then, contrary to what many think, that the oud-lute family had a completely separate development, split from the earlier, single-cavity string.
And, of course, every one but nazis consider slavs to be squarely European. (lol what are they, Asian? Speaking a strange spontaneously similar to gothic language?)
Yes I learned to play one when I was a kid.
Yes that is a horizontal four string instrument set to fifths, worn at the shoulder and only dating to around the late 16thC. Possibly a descendant of the stringed instruments brought to the west by the Mongols but NOT played anything like these ones which are not even playing Western scales.
By contrast the coconut bodied version from Cambodia is a twin stringed instrument where the horsehair bow is set between the strings and thus bound to the instrument enabling twin tones.
The strings are fingered WITHOUT being fretted (unlike the viol family) this means that for each string you find the node by touching the string, enabling a harmonic resonance not available to a fretted sting.
But obviously since you are a music expert you would know all these differences. 
The music you can hear could not be played with a violin as you ought to know.
I’m merely saying that rejecting rap does not mean rejecting poetry in general.
Not every conflict is an instance of war. Someone trying to kill you is not war. Being pissed about someone trying to kill you is not war. Tupac’s songs are about thug life – not war. You might say they are about “gang warfare”, and I’d have hard time disputing that, but the point is that it’s about gang warfare. If you want to celebrate masculinity, you should carefully choose your role models. This particular type of masculinity – that some people call “toxic”, for a reason, though these folks also have a tendency to extend this label to pretty much any kind of masculinity – is being actively promoted, the effect being the drowning out of positive masculinity. You’re either going to listen to ABBA or you’re going to listen to Tupac. And since ABBA is very feminine, and Tupac is not at all, Tupac is the way you go.
I am afraid it is not.
From Google:
“a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country”
It’s a bit more than just a handful of people shooting each other.
And yet, Sabaton’s song is about real people who went to real war – not about criminals shooting each other. It even sounds warlike. Can you imagine that?
Not exactly true. But here’s the thing: rap is rhytmically very poor.
Here’s a less melodical war song that is both melodically and rhytmically more interesting, and more warlike, than any random rap song I can think of.
youtube.com/watch?v=rl7i_YxDl-8
Straight from “World of Tanks” (never played that game but I assume it has something to do with war.) A piece that has almost no melody but that is nonetheless warlike and far more so than any rap song I can think of.
youtube.com/watch?v=l-TdaH0JWtQ
Why do these war games tend to feature either this kind of music or some sort of neo-classical? Why is it that rap music can only really be heard in NBA games?
Another one:
youtube.com/watch?v=wjEe2eLxmqQ
Can you feel that beat?
But I suppose the reason these songs do not sound warlike to you is because they weren’t composed by thugs – or at least soldiers. They were probably composed by people who never fought in their life let alone participated in war. But that misses the point entirely because we’re talking about music, not musicians. Have you considered that these thugs of yours might be a bit too busy being thugs to be able to properly focus on music explaining why their efforts are generally inferior? And it’s not like it’s difficult for non-thugs to imitate their style. Why is that?
That they stand alone cannot make up for the fact that they are mentally deranged.
You’re welcome to demonstrate its Turkish influence. I can’t hear any. It is a Westernized Slavic song that has similarities to Disney songs such as “Let it go” and Eurovision songs such as Loreen’s “Euphoria”. Turkish music sounds nothing like that.
That one probably has some Turkish influences but to what extent? Is it a significant one? Feel free to show me a similar Turkish song (that isn’t a modern one.)
A lot of it is either significantly influenced by Turkish music or simply very similar to it. But is all of it influenced by Turkish music and is it to the same extent?
Agni Parthene is a Greek song. Does it sound Turkish to you? Either Turkish music is very good (better than many classical pieces, in fact) and I’m simply not aware of it or this particular piece has nothing to do with Ottomans. Either that or it is influenced by Ottoman music but not overrun by it.
They weren’t promoting freedom, they were promoting homosexuality and mental illness in general, as they continue to do. It’s just they can’t be open about it, so they have to pretend they are promoting something else – something positive. So nope, you weren’t enlightened, you were destroyed.
That particular song sucks. And it would have sucked even if it had been the pinnacle of human thought. Do you enjoy listening to Aristotle? You don’t, right? You probably appreciate him as a philosopher but his work is musically worthless. What you’re doing now is basically shifting your attention away from the actual song – presumably because you know how bad it is – to something else, something irrelevant, something that has nothing to do with music and art in general and everything to do with politics and propaganda. The purpose of art isn’t to spread propaganda even though it’s been employed to that end for who knows how long.
They were all promoting, and probably even engaging in, homosexuality.
"Not so paradoxically, it is from the pen of the Stoic philosopher Seneca that
we get perhaps the most beautiful moment of truth in all of Roman literature. In
Seneca’s Agamemnon, the gods strike the Achaean soldiers returning home from
the Trojan War with a cataclysmic storm. One ship founders on another. The
sailors can do nothing to calm the storm or save themselves. The living envy the
dead. The prayers of those who beseech the gods (insatiate of evil) are cut short
by death. In the darkening night, only unconquered Ajax continues to fight (solus
invictus malis / luctatur Ajax [532‒533]). He is glanced by one and then struck by an-
other bolt of lightning aimed at him with deliberate malice by the goddess
Athena, affronted by the death-defying resistance of the lone mortal.
And still Ajax struggles. Scorched, but unmoved, Ajax stands out from the deep like
a sheer rock, cleaving the wild sea and breaking the waves on his chest. Clasping his
ship in his hand he draws the flames behind him. And Ajax is illuminated. He
causes all the sea to shine." - Roman Honor: The Fire in the Bones
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIjtyppbQIo[/youtube]
The point is that it is rhythmically driven. The rhythm itself has to be relatively simple, because the art is the metric, the poetry.
War is armed people trying to kill eachother. It then can get progressively more organized. It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
Yes, this pretty much hits the nail on the head. There is a difference between what people who have never participated in violence feel violence probably sounds like (like Wagner fans), and what violence actually sounds like. If you are unfamiliar with it, you may enjoy the imaginings of others that are also unfamiliar with it. I’m not saying it’s worthless, there are plenty of power metal songs I enjoy, but there is always some level of cringe to it. Or maybe a sweetness is a better word.
What people familiar with it understand is what things, what emotions, what cadences actually conjure war. When it is not rag-tag but highly organized, it is still not power metal you should seek, but military drums like I posted before. You instantly get a faster pulse and a vague need to kill something just hearing them. The songs you have shown produce none of that, but maybe invoke romantic images of ideas of something.
In all types of music, there is good music and bad music, talented ones and untalented ones. Good rap is very hard to emulate. Good lyrics are extremely hard to write.
No, nor did I suggest it did. Rap isn’t even properly poetry. It is too structured, too martial. It lacks the aloofness of poetry. What I said is that a poet’s appreciation for metric is required to appreciate quality in rap.
When in an actual situation of violence that needs resolving, the line between mentally deranged and highly effective gets blurred very fast. That is the type of truth only rap manages to articulate. Because rap is written by people who are considerably more likely to be familiar with that type of situation, and with the conscious aim to reflect it.
Rap wasn’t designed. Rap has more in common with (American) Indian bonfire ritual retellings of battle than with classical composition. It came about with the need to communicate on these themes with style, which is art.
The only other possible way to articulate the kinds of truths rap articulates is indirectly, by violence’s fairer cousin sex. Many of the slavic pop songs you post manage it, one imagines those singers easily engaging in the cruelest of warfare. Or salsa is also a favoured genre for killers. Rap is even more naive, being so direct. But it catches you with the absolute mastery of poetic metric. The ingenuity required for it is very similar to the ingenuity required for killing. Or surviving the killing fields, which is a more truthful definition of the art of battle.
Very nice. Strongly reminicent of religious chants. Religion, of course, and war, being inseparable.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7is_u8i6Sc[/youtube]
This man would have no problem torturing information out of a prisoner.
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I know this is in English, so do excuse me, but it really is a very beautiful day…
Went out, bought provisions for the cat and I, and it was truly beautiful out.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6WMzDOh1o[/youtube]
It’s an Orthodox Christian hymn, and yes, it’s great (:
Here’s another one by Divna:
youtube.com/watch?v=TuqQC3CQqVM
It’s pity it’s so short.
That’s another good one, one that is obviously influenced by Greek music, as once can tell from the rhythm they employ in the chorus coupled with that guitar that sounds like bouzouki. There are also obvious similarities to Turkish, Arabic, Byzantine and Egyptian music, mostly in the way he sings. Despite all of that, this piece of music sounds predominantly European to me – Greek, specifically.
When we’re at Greece, here’s a bouzuki piece that I like.
youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0MzXBxXL8
And here’s an interesting lively one:
youtube.com/watch?v=jGmn-xyTsYc
There’s also something strongly Roman about it. Very similar to Italian ballads. Maybe there is such a thing as a wider Mediterranean sound. The sea inspires certain sounds.
Very very nice.
One feels the dramatic instrumentation rather takes than adds. But maybe I am predisposed from having heard the chant before.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGmn-xyTsYc[/youtube]
This shit is heavy metal. The good folk music, almost anywhere in the world, is always heavy metal.
Look, there’s no need to be shy about this, there is also the simple fact that basically all instrumentation we have comes from the Arab world, when not actually directly from some African place. Iranian, Arab, even Mongolian. Sometimes you will hear a Japanese flute song and think instantly of Arabic pieces.
Not for that reason is it all any less European.
I like about the Balkan world and sorrounds that they retained a lot of the 1/8th notes of Arab music, but manages to remain European. Rich, but not molasses like Arabic.