Taking Heraclitus personally

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Though this word is true evermore, yet men are as unable to understand it when they hear it for the first time as before they have heard it at all. For, though all things come to pass in accordance to this Word, men seem as if they make trial of words and deeds such as I set forth, dividing each thing according to its own kind and showing how it truly is. But other men know not what they are doing when awake, even as they forget what they do in sleep.

:thought_balloon: I’m not really sure what this means. Maybe it’s something to do with the “seed equation” of the universe? I don’t understand the final part.

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So we must follow the common, yet though my Word is common, the many live as if they had wisdom of their own.

:thought_balloon: All the same yet all different. Same language, same culture but all with different thoughts. No two ever the same, but some so similarly aligned that they resonate.

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(The sun is the width of a human foot.)

:thought_balloon: Sounds like he was lying on his back, and held his foot up to the Sun to block it. So he found out that the Sun is the width of a human foot.

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Oxen are happy when they find bitter vetches to eat.

:thought_balloon: Had to look up vetches. Well I ate a week old pizza once, it was by no means as good as it was when fresh, but it did the job.

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They vainly purify themselves by defiling themselves with blood, just as if one who had stepped into the mud were to wash his feet in mud, Any man who marked him doing thus, would deem him mad.

And they pray to these images, as if one were to talk to a man’s house, knowing not what gods or heroes are.

:thought_balloon: :thinking: Dunno.

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The Sun is new every day.

:thought_balloon: Totally agree. I would take that further and say the Sun is new every Planck second. Perhaps even more frequently than that.

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If all things were turned to smoke, the notrils would distinguish them.

:thought_balloon: Distinct / indistict. What is indistinct that can be distinguished? I like this guy.

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It is the opposite which is good for us.

:thought_balloon: Or the middle. Depends.

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Asses would rather have straw than gold.

:thought_balloon: Well yeah, sitting on gold would make your ass pretty cold.

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Couples are things whole and things not whole, what is drawn together and what is drawn asunder, the harmonious and the discordant. The one is made up of all things, and all things issue from the one.

:thought_balloon: :thought_balloon: :thought_balloon: :thought_balloon: :thinking: :thought_balloon: :thought_balloon: :thought_balloon: :thought_balloon:


That’s it for now. I realise this topic is much in the style of @iambiguous’s “Thread for mundane ironists”, which I finally remembered to bookmark, it’s full of quotes and quips, a fortune mod waiting to happen.

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Holy sh-t what was the job supposed to be exactly? Getting a free pass for gastric lavage?

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It was in the fridge, I’m sure it was fine. Did taste a bit weird though.

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Sweet baby jesus

Ach, it was worth the gamble, I was skint. Otherwise I’m not much of a gambler, especially with food.

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Humans share a common rational structure (the Logos), but most people live as isolated kingdoms, believing their private opinions are truth instead of recognizing the universal reason that “thinking is shared by all”. Staying blind to this unity is, for Heraclitus, the root of human suffering and folly.

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I had a thought so I’ll stick it here.

What is black and what is white? Can you think of anything that is absolutely black, or absolutely white?

And if it does exist, are we capable of experiencing either?

I found this gem: “In physics, color is defined by light wavelengths. Black is the absence of visible light (or total absorption), while white is the combination of all visible wavelengths reflected together. Because all real materials absorb at least a tiny amount of light (or emit some thermal radiation), true 100% black or white is physically impossible for ordinary matter.”

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Things that make you go hmmm, Bob.

Thanks for the info :slight_smile:

Trust begins at home.

0 = :infinity:

3 charac

Oops wrong thread.

Heraclitus vs Predator

“Fuck, I dropped my lightsaber”
—Darth Vader

“Red pill, blue pill. It’s all the same to me, baby.”
—Heraclitus

What’s white to us might well not be to a bird or bee if it lacks ultraviolet`? We can’t see UV that so something with all the colors we see would look white. So, in a sense the issue whether something is absolutely black but can we have the experience of absolute blackness.

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Every beast is driven to pasture by blows.

:thought_balloon: Is it? Is it though, I’ve seen farmers driving beasts to pasture, and there were few if any blows involved. What about the flow? Don’t the beasts know the way? I don’t get this one.

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You cannot step twice into the same rivers; for fresh waters are ever flowing in upon you.

:thought_balloon: The turtle moves. Everything is change. Coherence is always fleeting.

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…to delight in the mire.

:thought_balloon: A fragment of a fragment. A shard. Wouldn’t know what to do with it.

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Night-walkers, magicians, Backhoi, Lenai, and the initiated…

The mysteries practiced among men are unholy mysteries.

:thought_balloon: I tried searching for these terms (Backhoi, Lenai), but nothing popped up, just a load of stuff about backhoes. I’m too lazy to persist.

:thought_balloon: If you replace the word “mysteries” with “secrets”, then I agree.

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For if it were not to Dionysos that they made a procession and sang the shameful phallic hymn, they would be acting most shamelessly. But Hades is the same as Dionysos in whose honour they go mad and rave.

:thought_balloon: LLM output with no further context provided - #93 by niallm

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How can one hide from that which never sets?

:thought_balloon: You can’t. You can’t hide from that which never settles, either.

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The many do not take heed of such things as those they meet with, nor do they mark them when they are taught, though they think they do.

:thought_balloon: The lesson is the teacher’s projection onto the pupil.

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If you do not expect the unexpected, you will not find it; for it is hard to be sought out and difficult.

:thought_balloon: Tales of the Unexpected did a pretty good job though. So did Colombo.

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Knowing not how to listen, nor how to speak.

:thought_balloon: Story of my life mate.

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**When they are born, they wish to live and meet with their dooms — or rather to rest — and they leave children behind them to meet with their dooms in turn.

:thought_balloon: My cat doesn’t know how “time” works, so she has no such concerns.

Yeah. I think it’s a valid question, don’t you?

I’m not sure what absolutely but also subjectively black means. Things are black, it’s not really a property of an object. We experience black because of what happens with light and these things. So, black is in our experience. I don’t really know what it would mean for an experience of blackness to be absolute. If it what I experienced, was it so?

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“It must be known that the fight is universal, that justice is a struggle, and that all things are born in accordance with struggle and necessity.”

--Heraclitus

“We must know that war (polemos) is common to all and strife is justice, and that all things come into being through strife necessarily.”

--Heraclitus

“In a nation that has developed to a high art advertising, the creator who refuses to advertise himself is immediately suspected of having no product worth selling.”

Fr. 10

--Heraclitus

“The cosmos… always was and is and will be one everlasting Fire, kindled in measure and in measure quenched.”

Fr. 30

--Heraclitus

“Beginning is together with end (on a circle).”

Fr. 103

--Heraclitus

“Into rivers, the same ones, on those who step in, different and different waters flow.”

Fr. 12

--Heraclitus

“Much learning does not teach understanding, otherwise it would have taught Hesiod and Pythagoras, and also Xenophanes and Hecatæus.”

--Heraclitus

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