The Logic of Illogical Thought

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Illogic so to speak is the true language of the Universe. To combine that which can not seemingly be combined in order to explain that which can not be explained. I have been thinking of late how Backwards thinking so to speak answers many many questions which before could not even be pondered or considered.

It’s like the Human race all a long has been thinking in reverse. and Now that some are thinking forward it seems backwards logic or Illogic. Things that do not make sense to most often describe the very answers everyone else seeks.

Contradictions for example to the logical being “contradict” each other and therefore can not exist or are incorrect. Ah but to the Illogical Mind a Contradiction is only such (A Barrier so to speak) so long as the meaning of it remains unknown. Once The unknown variable is found the contradiction becomes a perfect statement describing much. Illogic is the sight with which those who are insane see the universe for what it is. And the insane more often then not have the right of the Universe. More so then those limited who claim sanity and disregard all possibilities except those which they themselves define as truth.

Illogic I believe is the language which says 1000 things, and yet says nothing at all to the average reader. It is that conceptual writing which takes pages upon pages to say one single concept or meaning in among a ton of what most would describe as incoherent babble. It is, as it were, the language of truth, which describes beyond simple words meanings, feelings, essence and truth of something. Some things the most important things. Can not be said in words without pages upon pages to say them in.

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you always seem to place yourself out of the human race… are you an alien!? :mrgreen:

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Hey St. James … this thread is an oxymoron …

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I am a δαίμων

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Reasoning without reason
not like treason without reason to do treason
shall a dagger stab?
shall a dagger cut?
if it’s a regal matter …it will the order shatter!
if it’s for food to gather …then of practicallity and nothing will matter!

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Makes sense to me. “Shrugs”

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why do you say that?

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Dream logic appears to be unrealistic, but at the psychic level of reality, sometimes dream logic works.
Dream logic is almost like insane logic, or illogic. The psychic level of reality has an insane sector or sectors aswel.
I believe I have seen insane spirits before, besides insane people. They still function, it’s just a very “wild” and confusing method.

All ideas have a basis. Insane ideas have a sort of chemical basis. It’s suited for internal extremes. Insanity is the expression of our inner chaos.

That’s all I feel I can say at this subject for now. I’m interested to see your response.

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You ask me what I am, I told you.

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so the good kind or bad kind?

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Well… I suppose the honest answer would that would be a matter of perception, I would say that some would find some of the things I advise individuals about, or to do for that matter… to be questionable, morally and ethically according to their individual standards. While others would be perfectly acceptable. I only advise and teach however, I don’t interfere.

Entities make their own decisions, and are responsible for the outcomes. You don’t shoot the messenger it’s pointless, but people tend to anyway.

I am completely neutral.

Though I notice humans when they have a solution directly in front of them which will solve their issues, they tend to choose the one method that’s the hardest, and wont have nearly as good of result (Or it succeeds marvelously, but later fails epically because they didn’t pay attention to what I told them about the results of said decision and how to prepare for the collateral of such). But people always seem to want to do things their way and know everything, So I usually end up saying “I told you so (And then chuckling to myself while their world burns down around them)”, more often then not… Naturally this does not help my relations with individuals… Everyone always wants someone to blame except themselves. (The funny thing is if they’d accept responsibility for their actions, come to me and go hey, I didn’t listen I fucked up, how do I fix this mess?, I’d go… Like this and tell them how). But they don’t do that… Usually… So i just disappear and giggle to myself about it for awhile.

The other thing is everyone always expects their to be an answer, sometimes, there isn’t one. They really don’t like that. Sometimes they’ve fucked things up so bad there is nothing that can fix it except time, patience, and a complete change on their part and their actions. People don’t like change… especially when it interferes with what they like to do, or what they are used to getting. Other times they have unrealistic desires or wants, and some are pretty outlandish, but their is always a way, most just are not willing to do whats necessary and pay the prices required. So they take short cuts, fuck themselves over and then blame me for their misfortune. And the times when they get everything they desire, most don’t even seem to remember how they got there to begin with. Humans are fickle creatures for the most part I’ve noticed so yes, I have fun with them on occasion.

On a final note however,

I don’t mislead the individuals who seek me out sincerely and in need with the desire to truly learn. I simply tell them how it is, and let them decide what to do. And I can’t be held responsible if they don’t ask the right questions, or misinterpret what I tell them, or don’t ask me to clarify something and instead take it at face value.

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I’ll grant you that. :confused: :confusion-seeingstars:
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Seeing as this has come up, although I am physically human, I believe spiritually I am not entirely human.
For me it is a great feeling. It’s something I’ve become very accustomed to.
My transformation was gradual, while The Watcher’s entering into this body was a more abrupt situation.

We should have a thread about walk-ins.

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Op you can’t get outside of logic if you understand it properly. When someone says illogical, I assume they mean, not conducive to the actualisation of their ideal, not that the thing in question isn’t quantifiable or that it doesn’t have an underlying structure.

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It seems to me logic and illogic are being raised to a rather high falutin level in this thread. Arguments are logical or not, sequences of statements, that is, are logical or not. (or symbols in symbolic logic)

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Maybe you’re right moreno.

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OK, let’s now demonstrate the illogical nature of logical thought.
Find the context and run with it…

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I think the quest of this thread is to find logic in the illogical. An illogical quest in futility.

Talk about cognitive dissonance … a oxymoronic pretzel …

Or maybe just having fun and being silly …

You decide … choose wisely …

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Illogical is a pejorative adjective, so to show being illogical is good is oxymoronic. However being non-logical is another can of beans. When we don’t know what propositions are true, being logical is no use. Also, sometimes language can make certain conclusions seem logical, when they are not - because of semantic fogginess, because the propositions are simply false due to cultural biases we are unaware of in language, because of how an issue is being framed. I am sure most of us have had the experience of being in an argument and what the other person is saying makes sense or at least seems to, and we can find no logical flaw and even the propositions seem fine, but our gut feeling is ‘Bullshit’. It can be good to go with this non-logical reaction, especially if one has tended to have a decent experience doing just that in the past.

That’s just one area where a specific individual with a good bullshit sensor but who cannot in the moment work out why it is going off
would be illogical to be logical.

You could argue that they would be being logical going along with their gut feeling, but this is not always or even regularly clear in situ.

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Your not Dan, you never were, although your not the same as you were before your… Accident Either. To me you feel split, muddled, not entirely… well you or only half you. There is a strangeness? Wrongness? Otherness? that permeates you. It wasn’t there before your accident / incident, but it’s been there ever since. Although I have contributed it to the… things you mentioned to me, which I believe you said your still dealing with. You have recovered quite well however, all things considered. No small feat there and something to be proud of, Lesser beings then you would not have been so successful.

Then again it may simply be your hive minded nature clashes with my individual one… Which would explain more then it doesn’t on that matter…

In any case,

We’ve both changed and evolved quite a lot over the last 10 years. (Doesn’t seem that long…)