The morality and ethics of Confucius

[anew1]

The immaturity and attempts to deflect speak for themself.

[MrAuthoritarian]

So, does anyone have anything to contribute on the subject of Confucius?

[Nausamedu]

@MrAuthoritarian

So, does anyone have anything to contribute on the subject of Confucius?

What i keep on wondering is what makes one true philosophy more than another true philosophy.
Cause i said i lean more towards Tao and that made me think about whether or not i have any problem with Confucianism.
And the answer was no.
I think he is correct in most if not all his views and statements.

So digging deeper i ended up with the idea that it sought an answer to a specific question, which was human focused.
Not western pragmatism level of human focused, but still it sought to curate human behavior and consequence.

I guess its a question of what topic we are talking about.
Im less interested in the human prospect of the equation.
So i wonder is there a difference at all? Between philosophies which are true that is.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

anew cannot even see the problem with the above sentence and his whole post to you. It’s actually rather remarkable. But note the careful wording: ‘it could be argued’. He leaves these outs, so he can judge and insult but never have to defend his insults.

Notice how it could not even recognise the Wrongness and Falsehoods.

@greenfuse

He leaves these outs, so he can judge and insult but never have to defend his insults. Just as he makes claims, including the claims that he can prove his claims, but when asked he cannot prove his claims

This one still believes this to be absolutely true.

LOL even when I started proving one of my claims true, this one refused to respond. it, subconsciously, knew what the outcome would be so it, again, “ran away” and hid

@greenfuse

On topic: does such behavior mean he is wicked?

LOL Notice how it cannot even see the mistake here?

@greenfuse

Lao Tzu said: Those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know.

What is the use of ‘knowing’ if you do not speak?

For example, you would be one of the ones who still believed that the sun revolves around the earth if the one who ‘knew’ did not speak.

And, since you are speaking here, does this mean that you do not know?

These people had a really strange habit of just re-repeating what others had said and written, but without ever putting any actual thought as to what was actually being meant, exactly.

Watch, it will again not answer honestly the questions I posed and asked it here, again because of the repercussions.

@greenfuse

So, I doubt he’d view the forum as valuable except for lurkers.

you are absolutely free to doubt, and believe, whatever you absolutely like here, but just remember all if your doubts and beliefs can be absolutely Wrong

[anew1]

@Nausamedu

He has a need for acting in this manner, and need requires reason.
What that reason is, only he knows.

What ‘this manner’ is only “nausamedu” knows.

And, until I know what ‘that’ is I could not even begin to know what any claimed ‘reason’ is, obviously.

@Nausamedu

Would make an interesting discourse if he had the courage to be up front about his reasons,

LOL, LOL, LOL This one, really, is ‘trying to’ claim that I could be upfront about ‘the reasons’ for ‘things’ that only it knows of and about. LOL These people make me laugh.

@Nausamedu

Nothing particularly wrong with it once you understood what he is doing, but as i said… once you understood, you have no reason to engage cause nothing productive will come out of it.

The actual Truth is is that when one claims another ‘had problems’ but when asked to list ‘the problems’ they do not, then this is when nothing productive actually occurs.

@Nausamedu

I cant converse with someone who has only one single goal for conversing and that is to verbally curb stomp me in order to prove to himself that he holds a superior position to mine.

LOL These people sometimes could not have jumped to any further Wrong and False conclusions even if they wanted to make them knowingly.

@Nausamedu

But yeah, due to his disposition you will never be able to have a constructive conversation with him

When you people do not want to answer, clarify, nor elaborate, then obviously no constructive conversation will take place.

Imagine if after all if this time it was ‘their disposition’ and not mine at all that was stopping and preventing constructive discussions taking place here.

After all it is I who already knows and has the answers here to the Truly meaningful questions, in Life, which they are still seeking and searching for.

So, what is ‘it’ that has stopped and preventing them from finding what I have already obtained?

How come after thousands and thousands of years ‘your type of conversations’ have not been constructive, whereas mine have?

[anew1]

@Socrates

You can tell he finds this forum valuable by sheer inches of text and man hours.

What he lacks is the enlightenment of understanding what that value is

LOL Again, if only they knew.

@Socrates

which is the need to communicate, to have contact with people.

Is there anyone without ‘this need’?

@Socrates

The understanding that what he comes here for is not waking people up to the truth. It is shooting the shit.

If the Right words were used here, then there would be more Truth in this then first realised.

[anew1]

@Socrates

We are all dealing with our traumatic distortion in our own way as best we can

What ‘distortion’ do you think or believe I have, exactly?

[anew1]

@MrAuthoritarian

So, does anyone have anything to contribute on the subject of Confucius?

I have already contributed in the subject of “confucius”.

Does anyone have anything to add ircontribute on my what I already pointed out about the Falsehoods in “confucius’s” words?

[Socrates]

@anew1

Is there anyone without ‘this need’?

No.

@anew1

What ‘distortion’ do you think or believe I have, exactly?

Emotions start attatching to things that are unrelated with their roots, because their roots have been repressed.

[anew1]

@Nausamedu

What i keep on wondering is what makes one true philosophy more than another true philosophy.

The exact same thing that makes ‘Truth’, Itself, what It is.

@Nausamedu

Cause i said i lean more towards Tao and that made me think about whether or not i have any problem with Confucianism.
And the answer was no.
I think he is correct in most if not all his views and statements.

Talk about an example of not giving much thought, let alone any critical thought, whilst reading.

But, this is the consequence of presumptions, beliefs, and biases.

@Nausamedu

So i wonder is there a difference at all? Between philosophies which are true that is.

Of course not. But what is ‘true’, ‘to you’, is not necessarily so, ‘to another’.

[anew1]

@Socrates

@anew1

What ‘distortion’ do you think or believe I have, exactly?

Emotions start attatching to things that are unrelated with their roots, because their roots have been repressed.

Are you saying that emotions, themselves, are ‘distortions’?

If not, then what ‘distortions’ do you think or believe that I have, exactly?

[Socrates]

No. Emotions themselves are not distortions. They are essential information.

The distortion is in dissociating those emotions from their origins.

[anew1]

@Socrates

No. Emotions themselves are not distortions. They are essential information.

I agree.

@Socrates

The distortion is in dissociating those emotions from their origins.

Okay, so where and when have I done this here exactly?

[Socrates]

I think that your frustration at people’s lack of intellectual will, and, in a wider sense, the isolation you feel from people’s inability to even begin to try to comprehend what you know is actually there for different reasons.

I think this because those emotions, if seen in the context you present, are irrational. You either would seek a different avenue or change your approach in this one. And, even then, to believe that anybody could be open in the way you think you desire is a distortion.

Emotions are not irrational. They are perfect scientifically traceable reactions to phenomena. Therefore I conclude the existence of different sources for the isolation and the frustration.

What those sources are, I don’t know. But they are there. I know they are there because the emotions are there.

[greenfuse]

@Nausamedu

What that reason is, only he knows.

He has said that he is here not to prove the things he knows to us or to prove the claims he makes to us, but to prove the claims he has made to future generations. Those claims relate to how we are causing the problems ourselves. IOW he participates here to elicit and highlight the shortcomings we have, to prove to future generations the roots of the problems in the world. We are sort of experimental animals in his proof of claims to others.

[greenfuse]

@anew1

@greenfuse

So, I doubt he’d view the forum as valuable except for lurkers.

you are absolutely free to doubt, and believe, whatever you absolutely like here, but just remember all if your doubts and beliefs can be absolutely Wrong

Nothing to contribute. Not even a position or an opinion. This response does not engage with either me or Lao Tzu. He repeats things he has said to me time and again. If he can’t remember, you’d think he would have learned that other people remember things. He could move the discussion forward on Lao Tzu by expressing what he thinks about the issue and what his justification is. But no. Nothing to offer.

[greenfuse]

@Nausamedu

In the process of doing so he sometimes makes quite interesting arguments too.

Yes. There are flurries of good points.

[anew1]

Quite a few very interesting observations you have made here, and because they are very insightful ones I will respond with far more detail than I usually do.

Firstly,

@Socrates

I think that your frustration at people’s lack of intellectual will, and, in a wider sense, the isolation you feel from people’s inability to even begin to try to comprehend what you know is actually there for different reasons.

I will not yet delve into what you are referring to exactly by ‘lack of intellectual will’, however, is it an irrefutable fact that the emotions of ‘frustration’ and ‘isolation’ are ‘within me’, or are those emotions what you have perceived to exist ‘within me’?

If the former, how would you know, for sure, while clarification was never sought?

If the latter, is this based upon personal experiences?

Did you notice that ‘the reasons’ you claimed that those unverified emotions were ‘within me’, which you then claimed were not the ‘actual reasons’, were never even reasons that I have mentioned, but were reasons of your own making up?

Now,

1. The feeling of ‘isolation’, ‘within me’, is not from people’s inability to even try to begin to comprehend. As, to me, absolutely everyone has the ability to, not just try to comprehend, but has the ability to actually comprehend.
2. I know how and why people do not want to comprehend so I have no real feeling of isolation here, in internet forums. But, i have lived with the feeling of isolation since my first memory, and i am also pretty sure that the isolation feeling has existed almost always since birth.
3. I have chosen to write in a way that creates a separation between I and human beings, so if there were any feeling of ‘isolation’, then it is a self-caused one. The reason for this will become much more obvious and clear as we proceed.
4. If by, ‘people’s lack of intellectual will’, you mean it are referring to people’s lack of just wanting to learn and understand more or anew, or their lack of curiosity and inquisitiveness, then again, the emotion or feeling if ‘frustration’, ‘within me’, might not be as strong as you perceive it is. Again, this is because I already know how and why people have list their eagerness to learn. I am, however, continually questioning why people do not seek out the very answers and solutions that could and would fulfill their deepest desires and wants, even after inform them that I have and know those solutions and answers. Which, honestly, the feeling of frustration does arise when that wondering is occuring.
5. But if what you meant by, “people’s lack of intellectual will”, was something else, then what is ‘that’, exactly?
6. By the way, the frustration disappears very quickly and fully when I acknowledge that I already know why people do not seek out the very things that would fulfill their deepest wants and desires.
7. If people do not want to even begin to comprehend what you know, then so be it.
8. What are the different reasons?

@Socrates

I think this because those emotions, if seen in the context you present, are irrational.

Am I actually presenting those emotions in the context ‘you see’, or are ‘you seeing’ those emotions in ‘a context’, which I might not even have and sonare not actually even ‘presenting’?

Just maybe, the ‘irrationalness’, ‘you see’, is not of ‘my making’ at all. After all, the reasons you presume were ‘the one’, which you then claimed ‘were different’ were not mine anyway.

@Socrates

You either would seek a different avenue or change your approach in this one

I have no intention of changing ‘the way’ I have chosen here. I fact, ‘the approach’ and path I have chosen here is working better than I first thought it would have.

In fact, the emotions of ‘frustration’ and ‘isolation’ arise far more often and strongly anyway with what “you people” call “real people” than they do with “you people” here on the internet.

@Socrates

And, even then, to believe that anybody could be open in the way you think you desire is a distortion.

This is a very strong claim.

Why do you believe that to be open is a distortion?

And, by the way, what do you even perceive is ‘the way’ ‘being open’ is to me, exactly?

@Socrates

Emotions are not irrational. They are perfect scientifically traceable reactions to phenomena.

I thought I already informed you that I agree. Did I not?

@Socrates

Emotions are not irrational. They are perfect scientifically traceable reactions to phenomena. Therefore I conclude the existence of different sources for the isolation and the frustration.

your conclusion here clearly does not logically follow from the preceding two premises.

Otherwise anyone could also make the same claim.

@Socrates

What those sources are, I don’t know.

Will you also admit that you did not know if ‘the reasons’ you made up were anything aligned ‘with me’ anyway?

What you have been essentially saying and claiming here is;

you presumed that I feel frustrated and isolated here, but you did not know why.

@Socrates

But they are there

Obviously ‘the sources’ are there for every emotion - emotions obviously do not arise for no reason - but you have to admit that what emotions you presumed where ‘there’ might not have been at all, and without seeking out clarification and)or obtaining clarification you would never know, for sure.

@Socrates

I know they are there because the emotions are there.

But how do you know the emotions are ‘there’?

In ‘your world’ is it not possible that ‘you’ could be wrong?

[anew1]

@greenfuse

He has said that he is here not to prove the things he knows to us or to prove the claims he makes to us, but to prove the claims he has made to future generations.

Once more, you ARE WRONG here “greenfuse”.

How many times does a person need to be told that they ARE WRONG, before they seek out what IS TRUE and RIGHT?

[anew1]

Just because you “see” nothing, does not mean there is nothing there.