.
..doesn’t mean they can’t become obese, if they overdo it though.. but yea, denser bones and muscles yields a higher BMI.
‘Interesting’ that futureone keeps making threads whining about how fat he is but never comments in them or takes any notice of the advice he’s given 
Of course, but then what about the diabetes 2 in Nauru?
The cause of obesity being a topic of discussion is a very 21st century thing if I’ve ever seen one
Where did I say they don’t get health problems, or get obese? Pacific Islanders are very susceptible to type 2 diabetes.
What was then, not true? That Nauru is not the most obese country in the world?
I have to agree with this.
Obesity is a mental, not physical disease.
And it’s not even that. It’s a symptom.
1 Like
That simply not true. You’re assuming for some reason that if we know the complicated reasons a person overeats or does not exercise or any of the other factors of present, then people will just give up. That’s very strange. Each person needs different things and there are all sorts of things one can do in relation to childhood trauma or whatever.
A poor person comes to your consulting and says they really want to not be poor. You ignore their situation, past, education, mental health, habits, strategies use, possible disabilites, health issues, knowledge of interview skills, and so on and so on,
you tell them that more money in the back means you aren’t poor. We are dealing with humans. You’re under the impression that if someone knows their childhood trauma make make it harder to stop a coping mechanism with overeating, they just give up. Except there are vast numbers of people do all sorts of things to improve their current emotions, actions, thoughts that their childhood abuse led to. You seem to see everyone as having one attitude. And for some reason you don’t want to use the vast array of tools that might ease the process so that they don’t have to rely on will power, which is a poor way to change habits, actually.
This just ain’t true. Yes, some people could do that and I am sure some do. But that doesn’t mean understanding the context can’t help. Honestly, this is strange. There are tools for many many of those causes. Can the woman with no time to prepare food for herself because of the caretaking pressures get some kind of support from a church or the social system. Has she aksed family members to help or has she felt guilty doing that. Often there are solutions there. A nutritionist might be able to give her a list of ten tasty health 15 minute prep meals. Perhaps she poor and doesn’t know what resources there are.
Diverse support is natural for humans that are complicated.
Do a little research in how well will-power works with entrenched habits. Some of those causes can be helped with medical interventions. Other with meditation. Others with walks in nature. Others with therapy.j And so on.
Will power is pointless in these conversations. Nobody eats themselves into painful states because it is appealing. There is no question of temptation.
They do it, as with all forms of self harm, because it is a compulsion that takes the edge of a pain that, frankly, is a much more important problem to solve than the cut of their figure.
.
New studies have found that the underlying cause of obesity is cell-disruptors from processed goods.. and it’s only gonna get worse.
1 Like
Good point. Best to deal with important contributing factors because they are likely contributing to a lot of things.
For sure! That’s why stating the facts is way better, and makes sense to clear that first and foremost. After that you can give advice for sure.
A poor person comes and what is fair is stating “your problem is you lack resources and ”, first and foremost, then give advice. It’s important to first ignore all context, and then afterwards you can use some context to see if some advice is better. But first and foremost, the objective thing.
I see people as having way different attitudes, that’s why we have to first and foremost state the objective thing. What is a non negotiable. To think all need to be kind to the context and so is narrow.
The context may help, but calory deficit is a non negotiable. It is true in any weight loss thing (unless chopping bodily parts). First and foremost, the problem, then people have different advice. There is even a big chunk of people that need lack of empathy to them to fix their problems (they need lack of therapy, lack of meditation, lack of nature), so don’t narrow your views to exclude them.
You don’t know everyone, that’s precisely why the objective things that state the problem clearly and are non negotiable the most important, first and foremost.
Be aware that a person can become obese while in a come, and can come out of obesity in a coma.
Some do, some don’t
Your insinuations are probably correct, I am probably ingesting more calories than I use.
However, the OP of this thread never claimed anything to the contrary. The OP claimed merely, that dieting puts your body (or at least certain body types) into “energy saver mode” where the body no longer burns as many calories. My guess is this causes cold sensitivity and other problems such as poor circulation, shallower breathing, etc.
My dieting is simply that I, have been ingesting less calories than I usually do. Measuring the actual calories is imprecise, unless you specifically (tediously) measure everything, and have every bowl that has measuring indicators on it already. I haven’t measured the exact calories, but I would guess that it is less calories than the average person, even though I am much taller than the average person. Then therefore, a non-obese tall person might have a 3,000 calorie diet, compared to the 2,000 kcal diet of the average person. For example, the average person eats desserts and regular beverages, whereas I rarely eat dessert and most of my beverages have 0 calories.
1 Like
In my dieting I have consumed some processed goods, so I can’t rule that out scientifically. My instinct says that is not the main cause of my obesity but I am not sure.
1 Like
Junk foods make me feel sane, so I eat processed foods sometimes.
Eating only purely healthy, natural foods feels #soy and gay, and makes me feel too straightedge. Processed foods makes me feel like a real American.
I occasionally smoke cigars like a real American, even though AI tells me not to.
1 Like
.
If you fall unwell whenever you do that^, then surely there’s your correlation.
I don’t think the conversation about calories in, calories burned is remotely complete.
I listed causes. I didn’t give a line by line reading of what each person should be told. I wrote the above about it not being complete to say calories in, calories burned. This led you to compare giving other advice to excusing a bike thief. It seemed only possible at that point in the conversation to you that bringing in context means 1) people will not try to lose weight and consider it inevitable 2) unneeded. Now you seem to be saying that the advice could be good, but we must start with your summation of the issue.
They know they lack resources.
Narrow my views?? Those were examples. I think my views are less narrow than yours. I said it wasn’t complete, your point. I didn’t say it was wrong. It could be wrong as an interaction, not as a fact, if someone not managing to lose weight keeps being told that fact.
Hm, I thought I made it clear that there would be a dialogue. But my suggestion would be to open a center where you just tell people the calorie thing, and see how well that does compared to places that have a more complete approach to their clients.
Right, and why is that? Because other people have complete control over the intake of calories. Which is different from people who are not in comas.
I think this example is weird. It would make sense if I was denying the truth of your assertion. But there are causes leading to the greater intake of calories, with people not in comas, and causes leading to low energy use. And causes leading to what foods are eaten. There have been people saying there are no other causes. But there are a number of ways to track causes.
You’re dealing with proximate causes. I am looking at what gets called ultimate causes - I don’t like that name, but in philosophy that is what they are called.
House fire–It’s kind of like saying a house burned down because there was fire. I mean, yes — obviously — but that doesn’t really explain anything. You’d immediately start asking what actually led to the fire: was there bad wiring, did someone leave the stove on, were flammable things stored nearby, did the smoke detectors fail? The fire is just the last step in the chain. The interesting causes are everything that made the fire likely to start and get out of control. And the other causes affect what happens next.
Student fails an exam or several: To me it sounds like saying a student failed an exam because they got too many answers wrong. That’s technically true, but it’s not really an explanation. Maybe they hadn’t slept, maybe they were dealing with anxiety or something difficult at home, maybe the teaching was poor, or they have a learning difficulty that wasn’t supported. The wrong answers are just the final outcome — they don’t tell you why things ended up that way. And those other causes are likely critical in changing the situation.
Fever: a doctor says your fever is caused by having a high temperature. Sure, that’s correct in a narrow sense, but no one would find that satisfying. You’d want to know what’s actually going on — is it an infection, an autoimmune issue, a reaction to medication, heat exhaustion, something more serious? The temperature is just how the body shows there’s a problem; the real question is what’s driving it underneath. And the answers affect treatment.
Now these examples are not completely parallel, though probably in the 50s the exam issue was much more like the diet issue. People probably thought you were either stupid or lazy. Now we know there are a lot of other possible underlying causes that affect what would be good for the person to know. I say these are not completely parallel because there are probably a decent number of people who don’t think about calories in calories burned as neatly as you might formulate it. Probably most understand the connection between food going on and calories (I mean, that’s been drummed into our heads via tv, every women’s magazine, etc.) And that exercise or burning calories helps is also well known (but there may be many who don’t realize that ‘exercise’ can be rather banal and done without a gym or even exercise.)
But it’s probably a good idea to remind people when it comes to intended weight loss, sure. I just think it’s the start. I also don’t think letting people know other causes means they become complacent. Nor do I see it as harmful to let students who come to their faculty advisors after failing tests, to explore some of the ultimate causes. Study habits, note taking, is there a learning disorder? and so on. In fact, I think the potential for improvement both with losing weight and doing better on tests goes way up if you explore these things. Orders of magnitude.
And also, if it is explicit or implicit that all you need to know to lose weight, do better on exams, pull yourself out of poverty, etc. is the proximate cause, then this is misinformation for most people.
Even if they got our, they would eventually fall back in, or find some other expression for the malady.
The problem is part of a complex. It’s perfectly pointless to isolate it and try to treat it. It might even be cruel. “Nobody cares that your father beats you, eat less.” A particularly stubborn person might manage to lose weight. For a time. Or in exchange for a drug addictuon. Or bulimia. Etc.
1 Like
loosing weight is very simple. Don’t be lazy, Don’t stuff your face, understand that sugar is not your friend. Understand that soda (or the chemical they use for the syrup itself) is a class 1 Toxic chemical. Of which putting it in your body when trying to lose weight…. is probably a bad idea.
Drink water. Cook your own food. Eat reasonably. A Large pizza at every meal is not reasonable.
Laziness’, is the primary cause of obesity.
1 Like
.
Actually cell-disrupters are..
Which can be resolved by not being… Lazy.
1 Like