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Then you obviously don’t know what cell-disruptors are or what they do to the body.. 
I believe that your understanding of what I mean by lazy is….. Incomplete.
There are solutions to all problems. Regardless of what they are. There are methods, research, and techniques, technology, and even metaphysics. To study and go through to find such.
Laziness, is the knowledge that something can be done. And the unwillingness to do what is needed to accomplish it.
So whether or not I understand Cell Disruptors, is irrelevant because the above is simply a fact of reality. If a person is states they want to accomplish something, and yet fails to seek the answers and solution’s and take action to do such, they are lazy.
If they were not, then their issues would be resolved.
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..and therein lies the problem, because you now definitely don’t know what cell-disruptors are or do.
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Did the Philosophers of yore defeat their poisons or poisonings?
The Philosophers of yore were alchemists. Which is the foundations of every type of science we currently have, though one that for the most part has been lost to fantasy and BS.
The actual practice was quite thurough.
~ You would be surprised how many poisons also act as cures. Both Philosophically, and Literally.
You listed both causes and inclinations for the choices of some people. Those are not causes. That didn’t lead me to other stuff. I compared two things between themselves to make clear what they are the same inbetween - in what they differ, doesn’t matter (as with all comparisons). The ‘rest’ (a thief or not) is a part of a supposed context that isn’t there.
Context may aid in convincing, but makes no difference in the actual mechanics of weight loss.
Great! We agree that you do think that.
People can become obese in a coma while being managed by random chances. It is weird for you - I compleletely agree. That’s why obesity is not just a matter of will and choice, it’s a matter of calorie deficit.
There are causes to anything that has causes, for sure. If god is the set of the causeless, let’s blame god for everything, and that will for sure help our BMI you say?
You are confusing causes for choices
It’s not about convincing. It’s about what help the person needs to lose weight. For you ‘the mechanics of weight loss’ is more or less chemical/physiological. For me the process of weight loss includes the person not as a chemical machine, and include the need for more than this bare information. If we are in a physiology class and the focus is what happens in the body that leads to weight loss, fine. We can focus on your answer. When dealing with overweigh people or obesity, I think it is sorely lacking.
It’s not weird for me. I understand why they lose weight. Nothing weird there at all. Other people control their intake. In most people’s lives, they decide what, when how much to eat and how active they are. Now we have many more causes and patterns to look at. I find it strange that you bring up the coma person again, as if I didn’t specifically discuss that. There’s nothing weird about the person in a coma losing weight. It’s weird to think this example matters much for most cases of obesity. It might matter if I was arguing that calories in/calories burned was wrong. It seems you didn’t engage with what I wrote there at all.
Now you are talking about blame. Before you compared weight loss to stealing, which brings in immoral interpersonal relations.
Nope. I am talking about what actually works to help people not be overweight/obese. Again, try your method of telling them the single physiochemical truth you want them to know and see how well that helps them lose weight. And ask them how many of them were surprised to find out that intake of calories and activity levels are causal there.
Me, I think the causes of the levels of calorie intake and the causes of the levels of activity are the causes that can actually help the person, who otherwise has to rely on will power alone. Which does not work well.
We completely agree.
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I agree, you find it strange, because you didn’t discuss that, when that is also in the question. In particular, because the coma example makes it obvious that choices or not, the thing is calorie deficit. In the coma there are no choices. That’s why it matters for all cases of obesity - putting the focus in what makes the difference, not in what can you choose in order to make that difference.
That’s why I point out that you are confusing causes for choices.
All comparisons are the same in what they share and different in what they are different. It’s important to compare it to something it shares the same but has differences in order to criticize the aspects that are the same. You are confusing things out of the context you suppose have. Forget the context and you’ll be better.
You seem to be talking in circles and not integrating what the other says. I’ll repeat it: don’t confuse causes with advice (‘what can the person do’ is an advice), and put first and foremost the basic mechanism of it, because you don’t know what will help people. Everyone will have to do caloric deficit anyway. Then, for the people that some advice would help them make some better choices, they can try something and the other, but you don’t know the other. Some people need less of that.
What is the cause there (the real cause) is not the choices they make, but the calory deficit, as you can see in the coma patient example. Now, you can try to give some advice to some people that may find that helpful in order to make better choices, for sure. For those, it may help, for the rest, it wouldn’t - in particular, confusing the cause would get them worse
I think it is weird that you keep bringing it up. I don’t think it is weird that people can lose weight in comas. I understand how people can lose weight in comas (and gain weight). But I thought it was weird to say it since it doesn’t contradict anything I said.
We’ve been discussing what to say to the people. First and foremost you will say….Well, we don’t gotta say nothing to the coma patient. Neither of us talks to the coma patient. So, to me it’s a weird thing to bring up.
We can makem fat or makem thin at our whim - if we are staff there. This has nothing to do with the vast majority of obese people. This has nothing to do with what one says. I can understand it if you think I don’t understand that calories in and calories burned is the biochemical mechanism. But I’ve never denied that. I’ve affirmed that.
I don’t know why you are saying I frame everything as choices. I understand that the coma patient is not making choices. I was thinking more in terms of what the relevant people need to lose weight, given the different causes that influence what they eat how much and how much activity.
But it feels like we are going over the same ground again. I have explained this. But it seems to have no effect. Except you agreed in some general way with me. Or thought I did with you. Fine. I’m going to leave it here.
You are confusing yourself with your interpretation of context again and again, even when noted… Let it go. Let go of the context. In many things it’s either unimportant or you are misinterpreting the context when it matters.
The example of the coma patient shows that what you have to achieve is caloric deficit. Not that you are going to talk to a coma patient, nor a pet (there are overweight pets). You can see there that context doesn’t matter.
Now, why people make some choices (say, only drink diet soda for a month), those are choices. They may feel prone to some choices, but are choices, not causes. What can people do? Change choices. But those are not causes. Those are choices.
You may give some advice that to some people would make easier to make such and such a choice, but that is not a cause since it is a choice.
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I myself am just getting over a bout of inflammation from ingesting 1g of creatine, three times, over a week’s period, two weeks ago.. I’m just glad I thought better of taking the 3-5g suggested dose, after my dalliance with collagen powder ended in a similar, failed, fashion.. 
..it would probably have gone on for longer, but I found one of my herbal tinctures in a kitchen drawer which decimates inflammation, and took some. 
Yeah, but I acknowledged that and yet it comes up again and again. You keep telling me about coma patients. I never disagreed with that being the core change. Not once. And yet I keep hearing about the coma patient. Since I have acknowledged time and again the truth of calorie in/calories burned, sure I tried to figure out some other reason you keep bringing it up. But I did make sure to acknowledge what you say here. I know you weren’t suggesting we talk to the coma patient. I was pointing out the absurdity of bringing it up over and over since we were talking about what to say to the overweight person. If the only reason was to inform me of what I always knew long before this thread started, that what you want to say first and formost is the biophysical mechanism that leads to change I MADE THAT CLEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN, so it was unnecessary.
I don’t think I said that my saying it is a cause. I did refer to causes. There was a list.
But who cares. You started by implying it was a moral issue. You compared to bike thieves excusing behavior that harms others. I suggested that informing them of things that were causes in their life - causes that led to them being prone to certain patterns - can help. That’s all. You seemed to agree. You seem able to grant it in the weakest possible terms in this last post. I dunno, seriously, what you’re on about. I mean, I understand your point about cause vs. choice. I don’t think my saying diet soda can lead to problems losing weight determines their weight loss. Sure they have to choose to stop drinking it. And there are thousand of other things they can choose to do, if they know more than they did before they came in, that makes other choices easier. Hence I suggest a more complete information meeting. There’s a whole field on what helps one to break habits. Like how to use friends in the process. Sure, they have to choose to follow the advice. My saying research shows that doing X helps doesn’t determine their improvement. The lack of knowledge makes certain choices vastly less likely. In fact if they don’t get information about things that make their condition more likely and methods for helping that and information on how to change, their chances go way down.
Go out and see if your first and foremost approach actually works in the real world. If you’re right you will be a millionaire in a year. The workload is low and easy. You could see 100s of clients in a week. And word of mouth alone will build your business. Or you could see if the research supports your position in the real world. It doesn’t. I know, after a while you acknowledged that some of the other stuff may be useful. So, maybe your center does a little bit of that. Come back in a year and let us know how it goes.
But now I am truly done. I will not respond to you in this thread again.
Your body reacts to diet soda with artificial sweeteners the same way it reacts to sugar or refined carbs. Try intermittent fasting. Try to get to a 16:8 or 18:6 schedule. You’ll not only lose weight, but it will also help with anxiety and depression.
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I am familiar with the Practice, and have been dabbling in it since young. 
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I’m not surprised in the slightest.. natural remedies were the only remedies I knew growing up, and even moreso now.
Yes, diet soda will fuck up your body because the sweet taste still triggers the release of insulin, yet if all you are drinking is a diet soda then that insulin has no sugar to work on in your blood stream. This contributes to insulin resistance. Also, most diet or sugar free sodas have harmful chemicals in them so why would you even ingest that to begin with? Stevia seems OK, but even with that you are still going to spike your insulin a bit for no reason.
Just eat regular foods, stop tricking your body with these artificial garbage fake foods.
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Da plants aren’t friends, they’re our enemies..
Search for ‘the least toxic plant-foods’ and eat those.. with your steak. 
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i mean i already said that I drink only diet soda and consume beverages of 0 calories…
havent had a pizza in weeks…
why does nobody seem to talk about weightloss and metabolism…
Isn’t it possible that someone can go on a diet, eating only 1,000 calories a day… but the metabolism is so slow that nothing happens?
Then they reduce to 900 calories a day… metabolism slows even more… nothing happens… they are still fat…
Why do I keep seeing fat people everywhere? Can I really assume that all of these fat people are eating 4,000 calories a day every day?
Why couldn’t I assume it was pollution, environmental pollutants, or depression causing the fatness?
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How do we really know its only calories causing fatness? What if someone burns 2,000 calories a day but poop once only every 4 days? Then the poop is stuck in their intestines making them weigh more and more.
Or what if it is water retention, bloat, making them overweight? And not caused by calories?
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I have a new theory even more far-fetched than any of that… what if it is that Americans are fat because they are super-saiyan warrior breeds… all the warriors went to America… from wars from thousands of years ago… thousands of years ago they didn’t have cars. It was about storing energy on long campaigns, thats how you won wars thousands of years ago. The genetics of storing energy for long campaigns, most of those genetics, possibly, went to the Americans.
Sounds like broscience.
Carnivore people believe in ooga booga.
My opinion is?
Plants are good and marijuana is a medicine.
I get stomach aches from anything.
I got stomach aches from crispy bacon.
I got stomach aches from too much lettuce in my salad.
Both meat and plants can give stomach aches.
I don’t get stomach aches from lettuce and tomatoes on burgers or tacos. Avocados are healthy.
I only drink stevia.
Never drink the chemicals in mainstream diet soda, the ones that make the retards retards.
Just eat regular foods, stop tricking your body with these artificial garbage fake foods
Been sugar-free and not going back to sugary sodas, wears me down gives me aches.
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Fasting gives me a bunch of aches. Already been skipping meals at random.