The Spectrum of Womanhood [split]

Offtopic but my definition of woman is a Tiered or Spectrum where there is the Maximum Woman Possible ranging from Maximum Woman to 0% woman.

  1. Human female above the age of 21, who can reproduce. Age 16 or 18 is a girl in my opinion, not a woman. A FTM is not a woman. If they look identical to a man then they are not a woman.
  2. Human female above the age of 21, who cannot reproduce, due to menopause or genetic sterility.
  3. Amab, assigned male at birth who has taken estrogen and gotten surgery to look indistinguishable from a female. Their voice also sounds like a female. Therefore, they look, sound, smell, feel, think and act the same as an adult human female, therefore are a woman. Even though they are genetically not the same as a female and cannot reproduce. If reproduction was the main criterion for womanhood, then main adult human females could not be classified as women, after going through menopause. If genetics was the main criterion for womanhood, then you would have to consider FTMs as women. FTMs that look, smell and act like men, are not women. Testosterone is what makes a man, a man. Without testosterone they are just a boy.
  4. A karen
  5. A tomboy.
  6. A masculine American woman
  7. Crossdresser not on hormones but takes time and effort to pass as a woman.
  8. An effete human male, ie. a boy who behaves as a woman.
  9. A representation of a woman, for example a statue that looks like a woman.
  10. An animal female (not a biomutant or humanoid hybrid).
  11. A FTM
  12. A masculine cis male amab.

Picture of FTM, do you really consider this a woman?

@mods I can make my own thread of this if this is off-topic.

Now, as for the topic of brain-sex. Now in terms of my spiritual beliefs.

There is an expression saying that MTFs are women trapped in men’s bodies. This is an abstract, figure of speech, a colloquialism. Many MTFs say that it means a female brain in a man body. Morpheus stated that the Matrix is a prison for your mind. I would state it differently. I would state that the brain is a prison for your soul. I would say we are all ā€œtrappedā€ inside our bodies. This is not unique to transfolk only. It’s the hard problem of consciousness. I actually spoke to a trans atheist who could not understand what I was trying to say. One of the hard problem’s of consciousness is why is your soul in your particular body? For example, why were you not born someone else? For example, if Tesla asked themselves why are they Tesla and not somebody else, they could have been born a normie or a crocodile or something. This is one of the hard problems of consciousness.

With transhumanism we explore this hard problem of consciousness. The underlying crux of it is that MTFs feel cheated by it and wish they could have been born females. After all the odds are 50/50 and they want a new roll. As for brainsex I’ve looked into that. Some people claim that it is not possible to determine brainsex from MRI, and that human brains are random and vary. Others state there is clear brainsex and grey matter and white matter varies from gender, so you can determine brainsex from grey matter ratio, but they are not clear on what that means in terms of real world consciousness and personality. There is another way to determine brain sex, which is brain CC volume, males have larger brains than females. Males also seem to have more spatial skill and geometric ability. But I am not convinced that females have more language skill, because most rappers are male and there are many male poets. LLMs also seem more like men to me than women.

Anyway, estrogen has been shown to shrink brain-size. While I think White mtfs are hot, I also think Black mtfs are hot. I don’t think giving estrogen to White mtfs at a large scale is such a grand geopolitical strategy. What I wish is for more of the estrogen to be given to the third world, to decrease the birth-rate and decrease poverty there. I do not agree with leftist extremists trying to rid us of the White race, I notice a trend of many White males taking estrogen because they do not succeed at hypergamy world. Many White-males I see also reproduce with Orientals, on a large scale, creating more Mixed race who will grow up to be incels. This is the same as taking estrogen in my opinion.

Third-world taking estrogen is what’s ideal, for the greater good, decreasing poverty and birth-rates into poverty. Second thing is, when more men take estrogen for the cause, this decreases the power of hypergamy, freeing up the ratio, creating a surplus of women and giving more options. I know that not everybody is looking to date mtfs, and that’s fine, because it cures hypergamy regardless. The people wanting to date mtfs will free up competition and make cis women more available, mtfs could also date other mtfs. Even though estrogen shrinks brain size it is no more dangerous than other male activities, like going to war or BMX. I view estrogen takers as soldiers doing their duty to make a better world.

ā€œDivine spiritsā€ trapped, imprisoned wihtin ā€œkellipotsā€ā€¦the body is the prison they must escape to return to the uniformity of the divine state.

Transsexualism follows from this.

The physical, the body, must be transcended…

That is correct. However, it may not be as simple as it sounds. We don’t know for sure if such transcendence is possible according to physics. Trying to escape could be a misstep - for example, souls might return to somewhere back in time before the great event. Our puny human intellects simply are not enough, we must first confer with the great ASIs and cyborgs of the future.

So, you adopt Weininger’s model of attraction.
A 60% feminine 40% masculine spirit is attracted to a 40% feminine 60% masculine spirit.

Femininity, or how feminine a woman is, determines her reproductive success, as does the level fo masculinity characterizing a male.

In manmade and maintained environments the probability of success is adjusted by cultural factors.
Monogamy, for instance…or how much masculine energy is tolerated.

Mutations emerge with every reproduction…whetted or not the mutations prove to be advantageous or disadvantageous, or merely neutral, is determined by environment…and humans create or severely impact their internment.
So, if a system benefits more from feminine traits, then masculinity will be considered toxic, and forced into hiding…and emasculated, effete males will be rewarded and promoted.

This sets up mind/body dissonance…and how a female is confused…the culture idealizes effete males yet she’s attracted to more masculine males…
Feminine mystique.

Biologically, (s)he will never be a man, but in his/her mind (s)he thinks like one, so if that’s how (s)he chooses to experience his/her individuality, that’s ok.

Also, if all he demands of me is to call him a man, I will accept that, since his sexuality doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

The word sexuality is confusing. I assume you mean by sexuality, what type of person they are attracted to? But sex also refers to someone’s assigned sex, genitals, and genetics. The word sex is vague, it can mean someone’s genitals, but also can mean sexual intercourse.

A FTM could be bisexual or gay, attracted to men, or attracted to women.

My opinion is phenomenology trumps biology. Like if you are walking down a street and you see a man, they are a man. You are not going to carry around a microscope with you and examine their chromosomes. Unless someone is a gay man looking for a top, or a woman looking to reproduce, then the genitals won’t matter to them.

Do you consider yourself a Lefty-Liberal then, tolerant of LGBTQ+? To me, if a transexual appears to be female and womanly at a distance, but upon closer inspection has broad shoulders, broad chest, thin hips, large hands, large feet, adam’s apple, and then speaks revealing a masculine voice… does anyone need to go further ā€œwith a microscopeā€ to understand this is a man pretending to be a woman? Or that some transexual FTM is pretending to be a man?

Pretence is not the reality, it is an attempt (often times a vain and childish one) to deceive others. The reality is underneath the deception. The biology, in fact, does not lie.

I sort of agree with that slightly, but its only a trend or starting point, not an absolute.

Typically you will see those trends but its more complicated than that.

Testosterone is a love hormone, so males are not limited to those standards. As testosterone increases, so does a male’s sexual deviance. Testosterone causes males to diverge and spread outward, for example a low-testosterone male might prefer only stereotypical hot white chicks, whereas as their testosterone increases, they start preferring other types of chicks, other races, fat chicks, chicks with dicks, etc.

This would appear to contradict the theory since, a low-testosterone male will both be more feminine and also more attracted to stereotypically hot females.

yes, high testosterone males are more R-selectors. However, modern women appear to be ā€œslutsā€ and also R-selectors. But only with high-tier males, rotating around the high-tier males only.

toxic masculinity is inherently toxic. Like if you go on a COD lobby and there is a toxic male, you know they are toxic, doesn’t matter what your political beliefs are or what your gender is, everyone universally agrees what toxic masculinity is.

its like if you go down the road and see a male who is a different phenotype than you, and you feel uncomfortable, masculinity intrinsically has that effect on people, regardless of what gender they are. For example I played this old videogame set in barbarian times, and in the story he walks through town and feels uncomfortable at someone merely because they are a male. Only until he saw that their face is ā€œfairā€ and not barbarian looking did he feel more comfortable.

Its all about looks. Defined cheeks, not recessed jawline, etc. Females don’t approach because most males look bad. A feminine pretty boy will get more female attention than an average looking somewhat masculine male.

This is why males approach escalate. Approach escalation activates the female submissive response and eventually a female might give in to primitive instincts.

This also applies to subpar women though. Ugly or subpar women may use the same male tactics to woo a male into her advances.

it all comes down to…why sex evolved at all, and why did it require two distinct sexual roles?
These reproductive roles necessitate specific physical and psychological traits…and these become masculine/feminine traits.
But if sex is a spectrum then this spectrum determines the success of the individual, relative to their sexual role.

Mutations emerge, affecting the traits required to successfully carry out these roles…unfit mutations reduce the probability of reproductive success.

Humans intervene upon nature, altering the dynamics.
Unfit mutations can be sheltered or technologically aided to overcome their disadvantage, adjusting the probabilities. of success.
This has long term consequences.
Compounding unfit mutations eventually produce psychosomatic monstrosities.

Not true… if it were, homosexuals and transexuals would be taking Testosterone injections instead of SRTs and Estrogen.

Testosterone corresponds directly with Heterosexuality. It also explains why low-IQ blacks will ā€œfuck anything that movesā€, as long as its female or appears female.

Testosterone corresponds with topping. I was taught in school that male rabbits will fuck each other if they don’t get laid soon enough.

That’s what I just said.

Some transsexuals decide to de-transition afterwards because they miss testosterone and their sex-drive. Although, de-transition could occur for a multitude of reasons besides that, such as not passing due to broad shoulders, adams apple, etc.

Gender is hormonally determined in the uterus, when the fetus is developing.
Any intervention, after that, will not be as effective.

Twins, one male one female, exhibit the same psychosomatic traits to different degrees.

Sexual dysphoria is not a real biological condition one is born with but rather is a taught one, notice that this huge wave of transsexualism wasn’t popular before the internet but now with the advent of social media all of a sudden there are transsexuals everywhere. It’s insane how these identity groups get pushed onto society everywhere nowadays.

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The problems started when they were given the vote.
Politics became about emotions and feelings and image.

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Female and male are different. Not sure how that is so confusing. There is no ā€œspectrumā€.

Eternal feminine and masculine… fax

Says the guy who in other threads advises to stray away from binary absolutes.

If you look at a FTM with a beard and don’t see how they are different from an ordinary female then you are lost. Checkmate argument would be robots or somebody with both genitalia at the genetic level.

Body dysphoria is a real genetic condition.

This manifests in different routes. They can become otherkin, transhumanist, transracial, or transsexual. Which route they choose is influenced by dasein

This is how I tend to deal with it actually, as transsexuals are a reality we can’t simply run from these days.

For instance, there’s a transsexual woman in my workplace right now. I cannot be intolerant or verbal about her, otherwise I’ll lose my job. So I have to deal with it rationally. She is quite shy and is obviously always on the defensive, imagining how people will react to her. She actually doesn’t do any harm to anyone, and as far as work is concerned, she’s there doing the same everybody does. So why bother? Why worry about what the guy did with his body to become a ā€œsheā€? It’s his, or rather her body. See I’ve adapted my language to suit how I must socially refer to that person. I know it’s not a born woman. ā€œIt’s a woman in mind only, but the mind rules.ā€ (Glen or Glenda, Ed Wood).

What the hell does ā€˜thinks like woman’ mean? Only a woman, ā€˜thinks like a woman’ because they can’t ā€˜think’ any other way. Women aren’t a thought in a man’s head!

Here’s a man who ā€˜thinks like a woman’. Gee, it’s interesting how that male aggression is always there when it suits them. ā€˜Odd’ for someone with a ā€˜woman’s mind’ :roll_eyes:

ā€˜ā€˜Motherfucker take it outside’’, something no woman said, ever. And if you have to force people under threat of bodily harm to call you 'MA ā€˜AM’ then you ain’t a ā€˜MA’AM’ :zany_face:

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Transsexuals can believe whatever they want, but at the end of the day there are only two genders. Man and woman.

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Two sexes. ā€˜Gender’ is meaningless political garbage and superstition.

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