The weird prohibition against paying for sex

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I only recently found out that exchanging money for sex is not illegal here/in the UK, but that third party involvement is what makes it become illegal.

Wikipedia:

In Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland), the act of engaging in prostitution or exchanging various sexual services for money is legal,[2]but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, and pimping, are illegal. In Northern Ireland, which previously had similar laws, paying for sex became illegal from 1 June 2015.[3]

Though laws regulating sex work exist, they are not always strictly enforced, with some reports in March 2016 of police forces turning a blind eye to brothels.[4] Since then, however, there have been reports of crackdowns on brothels in the UK.[5][6] Many brothels in cities such as Manchester, London and Cardiff operate under the guise of “massage parlours”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom

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When I was signed-off from working indefinitely in 2016, during my last visit to the local Benefits Office two Muslim men came out of nowhere and whilst walking in front of me suggested I “Go on the game” to make ends meet, to which I replied “No” and they replied “What, do you think you’re special?” - I reported the situation, but heard nothing back about it.
. It is said that ‘most’ females go ‘on the game’ at least once in their life… I am not ‘most women’, so it is something I have never considered/had to consider.

The stats below show which social-demographics are adversely affected by ‘low to no income’ leading to having to ‘make ends meet’ through taking up sex work… mainly migrants and the unemployed.

Wikipedia:

Research published in 2015 indicated that there were about 72,800 sex workers in the UK; 88% were women, 6% men and 4% transgender men and women.[9] According to a 2009 study by TAMPEP, of all prostitutes in the UK, 41% were foreign; however, in London this percentage was 80%. The total number of migrant prostitutes was significantly lower than in other Western countries, such as Spain and Italy, where 90% of all prostitutes were migrants. The migrant prostitutes came from: Central Europe (includes Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Republic) 43%, the Baltic states 10%, Eastern Europe (includes Romania and Bulgaria) 7%, the Balkans 4%, other EU countries 16%, Latin America 10%, Asia 7%, Africa 2%, North America 1%. Thirty-five different countries of origin were identified.[10] According to data from the Office for National Statistics, prostitution contributed £5.3 billion to the UK economy in 2009.[11] In 2015, the HMRC set up a dedicated “adult entertainment task force” to collect unpaid income tax from, among others, online escort agencies.[12]

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I disagree.

If a person wants to give their partner an allowance, then cool… if not, then they at least need to come bearing gifts from time to time.

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I do not think it is.
IN the UK, at least, the illegality is based on soliciting for an immoral purpose. and making money from other people who collect money for sex.

In other words parading on a street corner and curb crawling are illegal. And Pimping is illegal.
This protects neighbourhoods from becoming “red light” areas, and protects sex workers from organised crime and exploitation.

There is nothing to stop consenting adults from exchanging money for personal services.
Unless my information is out of date.
Please cite if that is the case.

This is not the case in any place I know.
Please ellucidate.

Hi there, thank you for your reply.

Yes, l don’t think we can expect emotional love, that mutual bond between spouses that links up with the love of God and thus takes us higher. That emotional / spiritual love has become commodified.

It can now be attained by a holiday on that popular island. The photos to be uploaded to social media. The two hands joined together to form a heart. No child born, not yet, we must be certain we love each other. Then the mortgage payments. The doubts. The tension. The circle of friends giving advice. The breakup.

Spiritual love is almost guaranteed betwen mother and child and that’s the ideal heart of a marriage. Parents don’t need to love each other, but if a child is born then everybody is redeemed through that mother-child bond, which is the hand of God on earth.

Back to the topic: l hope you agree that prostitution makes an absolute mockery of this by profaning spiritual and physical love, which are connected and both mysteries.

I suspect it’s because people thought you were making stuff up and had nothing to lose and perhaps wanted compo or money for a news story, and decided to push a minority group down so you’re not at the bottom of society.

Muslims pray regularly and fast and do many other things that you would find too difficult, so please dont falsely drag them down. Wait hang on, did they make the Muslim profession of faith to you? Is that how you knew they were Muslim? I mean, l know they were a figment of your imagination but evenso … how do you know they were Muslim? I worry that you will actually answer.

I wouldn’t get married unless someone thought it was possible. Especially if they thought it was my duty to have sex with them. I think that marriage should be a consensual relationship and not a merely sexual, or economic one. I’ve already had one failed marriage. I don’t intend to have another. I’m gonna stay a free, mostly independent woman until I die, or the right nerd appears. We will take over the world with our nerd studies. In a good way, of course.

Anyone who wants to take the world doesn’t deserve it.

They’re all on trial. Including the LORD YOUR GOD.

I’ll add to my last post. Women have that luxury because they’re oversexed and men are sex starved.

You think just like a woman. You want a man to dominate you with partnership. The good men don’t partner because it’s selfish:

That says a lot about you. You want to dominate the whole world.

You’ll always hook up with domineering men.

You’ll always fail in life.

I want to add to my last two messages so that women understand.

Men expect good things to happen to them for being good people. Sex is number 1.

Women never have sex with good men.

But !!!’

Women also want good things to happen to them because of when they are kind

That’s a double standard and it doesn’t hold up in cosmic court.

Taking over the earth sounds fun. Better buy stocks that bet against yourself :wink: win-win.

Back to topic: emotional love ought to be a possibility from the outset, yes, but it’s not a prerequisite and l don’t think even the possibility should be a pre-requisite, it feels so metro to think like that.

Think back to when we had to weave our own clothes. Skin - yes, skin - our own animals, gut them, slice, dice, cook. Survival was the word, if we could only make it through the week, or even the day. That’s how we lived for millennia until the modern era. We would match with consultation from our parents / guardians. The ideal in my religion (Islam) is to marry for faith, match faith with faith taking counsel from our parents / guardians. God is the source of all love after all.

Alternatives: marry for beauty, marry to conserve wealth, etc. All are acceptable to God but marriage for faith is best.

What is unacceptable is to profane spiritual love and physical love - via prostitution. I guess we can agree there?

As for rejecting conjugal rights, that is anathema in my faith, we don’t build fortresses of isolation within our own households. Guess how that ends? On that note, we seek refuge in God from the Sneaking Whisperer (Qur’an 114:4), who whispers to us such things. That we can accumulate power at the spouse’s expense, we can build an Independent Free State within our own homes, our own bedrooms even. God save us from these inner whispers, telling us to withhold love and accrue power!

God doesn’t violate consent. He counsels to wait for a yes, whether it is the woman who is waiting, or the man. And if golden rule (or royal law) love is not happening in the moment, you’re hearing a no. The marital duty for sex is on pause until you hear a yes.

That is secular law, and very recent too. If you are not up for sex then don’t enter into a marriage contract. On that note, if you want to supply apples only when if pleases you, then don’t sign an apple contract with a grocery chain. It’s common sense to me.

Exclusions: menstrual times and the wrong way (you know?) - but that’s only a dealbreaker to the wrong type anyway.

We don’t believe in these bedroom wars. They cause divorce (as you’ve noticed) and weird children result. The harmers of pets, the Jeff Dahmers, the trash moms. Turaloo!

Thank you for recognizing a woman’s power to hold her own in this struggle. Yes, she is powerful, just as God made her. What kind of “help meet” would she be if she had no power?

She can wait you out until you’re ready to be hearing yes.

I’ve no idea why you think l’m recognising some kind of female power. That feminist mentality is precisely the world of demonkind feeding into the mind of Eve by the Tree.

To demonkind we are all a contemptible species, and so they separate us, male from female, and get us to fight. To them sons and mothers are diffefent species. Fathers and daughters too. And whoever will sit there listening to the devil for more than 5 minutes is not weak, no, they are S T R O N G.

End result: you think my mother wasn’t female, you think my brother will be a separate species to my daughter. And you speculate who will win this inter-species war? You bet on weaponsed super-strength females with kundalini goddess complex will win, yes?

I propose you’ve lost humanity and inherited inter-gender war as a proxy of demons that always hated Adam and Eve, hated having to bow to Adam and Eve, and will do ANYTHING to bring about a divorce so that zero new kids are born, or at least, weird kids that harm the pet hamster are born, weird kids that grow up in cold home, with a cold kitchen and cold, depressed parents. Yeah, no, sorry. Bye.

P.S. We might as well marry right now. I’d instantly put you away. 50 years later l’d still be on the other side of the globe doing my own things. I wonder if you’d see that as a femi-victory of abstitnence or would you figure out that you’ve been put away by a guy that just wants to live well and be happy?