Obviously, you’re a bot.
That’s the life of a bot- spamming forums with nonsense.
Max…Max…I am not a bot.I know what reality is.
I speak common sense.Something that you don’t possess.
Why do you claim that everything is a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) Max.
We all want to know.
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Why? Why? You’re asking me? I never ever said such a thing, you made it up, so you have to answer your own question.
This, basically.
I never made anything up Max…I know that atheists claim that everything is a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) whether they are liars or not when it comes to their existence.They have been found out for the fools that they are you see.
They are now dropping that claim and are now claiming that words have no meaning in their existence…..lol…
I was just perusing over some old threads like this one and then I find this topic just recently posted. I think the older thread has much to add to this one.
It’s an interesting topic indeed, but too dense. This one is more straightforward.
I’ll save it for reading later though.
Value and purpose (and meaning) are the same thing. How can an end in itself come from:
Only the End that subsumes change and is not itself changing can be the intrinsic End. You said that life is bigger than us and will go on even after we die. So before there was biological life in the universe, how was that which is bigger than us an intrinsic end? Unless it can (does, did, will) give value to other things because it is an intrinsic valuer (has Identity, is the original Identity, or is made from it, in the image/pattern/stuff of it)?
This is eternal life - to know you, the only true God, and him whom you have sent - Jesus Christ. Yes, the Son of Man is sitting at the right hand of almighty God’s power and in the future coming on the clouds of heaven.
- J 17:3, Mt 26:64/Mk 14:62
Search the rest of the text for “eternal life”:
Hey, quoting Scripture to win an argument, aren’t we?
Then we can already close the topic: the answer is: God said so!
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If he hadn’t “said” it (with his life, death, and resurrection) … in blood … could he rightly be called God/Logos?
There is no God, either above or below us, fish girl.
One of the ways you can tell this person is a full-blown fruitloop is how they keep coming at seasoned middle-aged atheists with the kind of shit they give middle school kids in Sunday school thinking such nonsense is gonna change the atheist’s mind.
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…or knowing full well the mindset I had when I heard stuff like that… until my mind was changed. When your world falls out from underneath you, you’re gonna be glad you’re not just hovering over an abyss. Up until that point it didn’t even mean anything to you. You thought you’d be able to handle it. You thought you were already handling it.
I know, I know. I sound ridiculous.
Have you ever heard the way you talk to your mother, though? You ought to be embarrassed of yourself.
Not necessarily ridiculous, but your religion is your business, and it means nothing to me.
Anyway, back to your point above.
Any religion that isn’t grounded in the most real thing about reality (which is relevant to everyone who does not want to diverge from reality, but wants to draw closer to it)… is crap.
The tricky term here is intrinsic. Since you assume existence and life have an intrinsic value, and an instrinsic end, that is, God’s will, something external to life itself, something beyond it, you can only interpret things and human beings as reflecting such intrinsicality, ie, as containing in themselves such intrinsic meaning/value/purpose which is a reflection of the fact that everything, every single living being, was created by God with a purpose. But life wasn’t created, life happened. Just like each one of us simply came into being, randomly- unless you are going to tell me you knew beforehand you were coming to life- and after being born has to deal with the fact that life is simply there, it doesn’t have an external finality, an external purpose, that it is here to fulfill, it is its own finality, if you want to use such a word. When I use the term random to refer to life and to all its manifestations, which include each of us, I’m referring to how life simply happens, and how each of us was simply born, not knowing anything about meaning, value, purpose, etc, before our parents ingrained in our minds their own theories about why we are here.
In order not to drag along too much, even because you won’t read it anyway, let me repeat again that life itself is the complete process, it has a beginning, a middle and an end, it doesn’t require an external meaning for it to happen, just like lions, monkeys, snakes, ie, animals.don’t do anything in this world except living. They live every single day like it’s the first and the last, they are fulfilled, they are complete. They don’t muse and they don’t dream of the day when they’re being better lions, happy lions, free lions- they are already the lions they are and they can be. It’s only the human animal who thinks and theorizes about meaning, value and purpose, it’s only to the human animal that such concepts have any significance. So it’s the human animal that has to find any use to them, since the rest of the living universe simply exists, simply lives, without any requirement for a finality that is not contained in the process of life itself, which they are already realizing.
From all this, I deduce that since life itself is already a complete process and we are already participating in it since the day we were born, we already have it, we don’t need to strive for it [like Jupiter123 saying we are without life], we are in it and we have it inside of us till the moment we die. How to face such life, how to deal with it, how to accept our animality and to try and move forward (can we move forward?)- these are all human questions. God has nothing to do with it, God is just a word we created in order to fulfill the need of a purpose. But with or without God, life remains the same, and our challenge here remains the same- to go on living, satisfied with life or not.
“When your world falls out from underneath you”
Boy, i hope that never happens to me. Luckily, there are people like you who have had their worlds fall out from underneath them to give me wizdomz.
Hypothetical question: if Aileen Wuornos, Amelia Dyer, and Karla Homolka had sons and their sons called them “pieces of shit” should they be embarrassed for talking to their moms like that or are there some moms to whom one can and should talk like that? If yes, what is the criteria for moms that do and don’t get talked to like that, and who decides what that criteria is?
Tip: you can opt out of the argument you’re getting ready to lose by just not replying and going away. It’s no prob.
That is true of eternal life expressed in time. It is in total contrast to what you are calling a random process.
God‘s essence (eternal life). Basing it on his will, as if it did not express his essence (in time), is arbitrary voluntarism.
That doesn’t sound very random. But also, you have to invert that, because the beginning, the middle, and the end of eternal life are all in every now.
…pretty sure that’s my winning strategy.