TIME (omniscience)… & SPACE (omnipresence)

No. It’s just ignorance. Maybe projection. Maybe sublimation. But no. Just ignorance.

All fall under it, & all will be shown mercy. But it isn’t mercy to leave us in our filth. All will be salted with fire. Will some still prefer the darkness after all that? We leave that in God’s hands unless he asks us to help him bring them/us back. How many ever times.

Thank you for not caring. :slight_smile:

Existence is not a dictatorship. It’s not even a democracy.

Everyone has to sign on for a new plan. Everyone.

I can be very persuasive by using the loopholes in the current plan to send them to hell for anything.

What loopholes?

That’s why a new plan had to be made.

Maybe I’ll explain some of them tomorrow. I’m getting sleepy.

I’ll tell you one loophole …

If you even cause one second of suffering to another being… it ripples like a stone being thrown into a placid lake. That ripple spreads to everyone.

If you’re just thinking about only humans…

That’s 1 second times 8 billion people …

8 billion seconds of hell is what you just earned.

Starting to get the picture now?

I’m not here to hurt you. I want you to know that.

First ripple happened with the first sin. Poisoned it for all of us. And we just keep adding poison.

His love purifies. The fire is unpleasant as it purifies. But … it removes what is the root cause of death. We can drink from the well that never runs dry.

Every forgetting ends in remembering there is water, even in the midst of the fire.

Been there. Not making it up.

The actual first sin was eating a vegetable.

Then it was having sex.

The first sin in the Bible ?

Wearing clothes. Wearing clothes was so minor compared to the sin of eating and fucking.

This is one of the numerous problems with the biblical god…

Jesus even states it. That we are greater than the birds in the sky, and how much more god will love us.

We’re lesser than the birds of the sky. We’re lesser than a vegetable. If not equal. Definitely not greater.

Another thing…

Purification of what exactly?

God made us all different to ultimately make us all god clones even though we can never be god. That’s narcissistic insanity - it’s fucking evil.

Let me remind you of what love is again.

Everybody gets everything they want forever at the expense of nobody forever; and they know it.

That’s true love.

There is no pride for anyone in enduring ‘the fire of purification’ … that’s a fantasy of yours.

The first sin was (is always) in the mind, actually—believing a lie about what God actually said. Sin is a privation of good.

If you believe in all the ancient narratives that include talking animals, and you believe the genesis narrative of the first sin, then the gut feeling you might get is why not be happy with the wide variety of good stuff… why be drawn to the one off-limits thing?

Answer: so that they would have a choice. So that they could learn what love is. So that they can learn they are loved despite their crap. We.

It ain’t about doing the right thing or avoiding the wrong thing. The law is just a tutor and only brings death because we are drawn to do what we’re not supposed to do. Love requires an overcoming of that weakness. His power is perfected in weakness. It’s about love despite circumstances.

“It is but a worthless and worldly conception of the dynamic of power that it is greater and greater in proportion as it can compel and make dependent. No, the art of true power is precisely to make free.” – Kierkegaard

I’ll pretend (for your sake) that this is actually a reply to my post.

No. The first sin is not in the mind. It’s hurting something. Do you see where you’re going with this?

  • It’s a sin to judge hurt.

That’s dictator shit.

(Privation of good) Sin is knowing you did something decent and feeling decent about doing that?!?! That’s sin?!?!

There is no such thing as good in a cosmos where people are being violated.

You’re resorting to demon talk to defend your position.

Actually… and it’s not funny… demons wouldn’t even go as far as you just did.

This is a reply to some of your thoughts/imaginings:
ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p … 7#p2858977

Have you ever been possessed by a rock?

Everything is a sentient being in this world.

Procreation? It took 15 concrete layers to incarnate a sidewalk here that was never born and never dies and is a sentient being.

Humans are not special.

Jesus was wrong.

“No. The first sin is not in the mind. It’s hurting something. Do you see where you’re going with this?”

…hurting something starts in the mind. Also you need to ask why the pain is being caused before you determine that the intention is sin (or something else). Sometimes you need to reset a broken leg…and if we never felt pain, we’d all get leprosy - or something.

“- It’s a sin to judge hurt.”

…says who? It’s only a sin to judge against that which you yourself do…or without mercy.

“(Privation of good) Sin is knowing you did something decent and feeling decent about doing that?!?! That’s sin?!?!”

Good is Golden Rule love — can be done regardless of how you feel about it — but, does scratch a “deeper” (higher) itch. Which you def have.

“There is no such thing as good in a cosmos where people are being violated.”

Oh my gosh. No real violation if there is no real good. Scratch that deeper itch!

Can’t say that I have… but… I can say a rolling stone gathers no mas.

Over & out. Roger.

Oh man. I thought about making a long reply to this, but I decided not to.

Do you want to go to hell forever?

Then shut the fuck up about consent violation being meaningful.

There is a real Good. All will be reconciled.

Don’t violate anyone’s consent.

But if you do—accept forgiveness and the strength to overcome your weakness.

Copy?

Copy? No.

Nobody in all existence should have or ever had their consent violated.

No. I don’t copy.

You get sent to hell for having sex, or being married.

But you think there’s a forgiver of all.

Anything you do, you think you’ll be forgiven for.

Fuck you.

I’ll send you to hell if I need to clear your mind.

You don’t want it, that’s a promise.

Sex & marriage is good when God is the rock it is built on. Takes two with that foundation to tectonically make that work without leveling everything.

The people that make it work without that foundation are few and far between and don’t even ask me how that even works. They probably cheat somewhere. No doubt about it.

If hell is code-language for misery… that’s … super cute.

Like … Russel Crowe as John Nash cute. Like “all my reasons” cute. With an atomic chaser. Yeah, no. Let’s avoid hell, shall we?

Man. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. That’s why you’ll be saved.

Not because of what you think is a rational argument, but because you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.

Nobody chooses hell.

You’re done.

You’re mentally insane.

Score!