Tobacco use will change.

In the same way marajauna is starting to make a resurgence from the insanity of propaganda against it, tobacco is going to be seen as an anti-depressant in the future and will be prescribed psychiatrically for certain conditions, there’s a reason 90% of schizophrenics use it. Some studies have suggested that tobacco causes schizophrenia because of this correlation, but I think it ameliorates the symptoms of a set of cognitive functions that were going to be there already.

The reason I bring this up is because it’s become so severe, this war on tobacco, that they’re looking at raising the legal age to as high as 25.

Every medication has side effects and not all mediations are right for everyone. People have been using alcohol as an anti-depressant for thousands of years (though some don’t tolerate it well and shouldn’t be using it), the pendulum is going to swing on tobacco after this fanatasism fades away and people actually look at the science, just like pot and alcohol.

if you are looking at the science… will you make reference to one study that might support these statements

We know schizophrenics use tobacco at a much higher rate than the general population, so we know that this drug is actually having a soothing effect on their symptoms. People tend to gravitate towards what works. The type of proaganda against marijauna has been shown to be bunk, and states are already starting to legalize it. It’s as sustainable as bamboo, but can be used for fuel and soaps etc… so economically, the outlawing of marijauna has been a poor choice. But that’s besides the point on tobacco. The biggest crime in tobacco is the 600-800 chemicals tobacco companies put into it.

No, we don’t know that.

People gravitate to what is addictive. Nicotine is addictive.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia_and_smoking

Why did you say we don’t know that when you posted a link that proves it… you’re being weird Phyllo. The figure I heard about 15 years ago was 90%, this link says 80% compared to 20% for the general population. This article even delved into oversight from the nay sayers of smoking, and smoking from schizophrenia. What I think will happen in the future, is that tobacco (not nicotine) will be prescribed for for certain psychiatric illnesses and insurance will pick it up, and it will be tobacco without added chemicals. What are you to say that when tobacco companies add 600-800 chemicals to their cigarettes, that the problems with disease are coming primarily from the tobacco?

Nicotine is basically a form of vitamin B3 which has been prescribed with some success to schizophrenics for decades.

You wrote that ‘we know that this drug is actually having a soothing effect on their symptoms’. If you read the link that I provided, then you would realize that ‘we’ don’t know why they smoke. There are lots of theories but no conclusive results.

Tobacco without additives is not healthy.

livescience.com/7914-warning … eadly.html

The problem with vitamin B3 and vitamin B complexes in general, is that they raise alkalinity, and this can cause hyper alkalinity in those with the metabolic systems to be carnivores, which can make the symptoms worse. Phyllo, you don’t know as much as I do about this topic. Nicotine doesn’t cause this problem. I actually like to use the word tobacco, because there are balancing, symbiotic chemicals in tobacco that can’t just be found from nicotine alone.

Phyllo, that’s the tobacco industry… you know a HUGE industry!!! They can’t say that adding 600-800 chemicals to their cigarettes has more adverse health effects than not adding them because they’d get sued. Pay attention Phyllo!!!

Not everything you read is about credibility.

I am wanting you ec to site a specific reference like scientists do…
if what you say is true why not take niacin instead of nicotine…
the reason is that niacin is not a stimulant…

Smoking organic tobacco WITHOUT ANY ADDITIVES still releases carcinogens and causes a long list of diseases.

Do you have any evidence that it is a safe product???

Taking Paxil can make you grow another head that bleeds out your orifices, what’s your point? It’s the best we have. Vitamin B3 is called “nicotinic acid” look it up. People who specialize in schizophrenia know that tobacco decreases symptoms significantly, there’s really not a debate to be had here.

Really? Tobacco is the best treatment for schizophrenia?

And yet you cannot link to a single study to support your argument. :-k

The problem here is that the government has swung the pendulum too far, and now they’re looking at raising the minimum age to 25. This is just like alcohol and pot. The scare tactics are on, without the science. When Nixon waged his war on pot, he went against the recomondations of his own FUCKING panel. Science will win here in the future.

So what if the minimum age is raised to 25? You are saying that it’s a treatment for a mental illness… healthy people have no reason to smoke it at any age!

Tobacco hugely ameliorates the symptoms of schizophrenia, as has been observed from experts on schizophrenia. They’ve been prescribing nicotinic acid (vitamin B3) for decades with decent success, better than controls… we don’t have a cure for it, but it’s well known amongst academics in the field that this compound and it’s variants are the best known symptom relievers known. The psych meds, just sedate them, and often give them horrendous symptoms (side effects) which make them more suicidal, tobacco seem to be the only substance known that actually decreases this problem.

Then healthy people have no reason to drink at any age… one shot of alcohol kills an estimated 100,000 liver cells on contact. The liver regenerates, but people have different biochemistries and this is a cumulative effect. Are you going to run prohibition again?

Nicotine actually may have a normalizing effect on some of the symptoms of schizophrenia and the side-effects of medications given for the condition. From what I read, it is nicotine specifically, rather than tobacco in general, that may have some beneficial effects. Fortunately, we have better nicotine delivery systems now that do not carry the same risks as tobacco use. I highly doubt tobacco, the leading cause of preventable death, will ever be prescribed by doctors. However, nicotine could be as the delivery systems become safer and more studies are done.

HERE is a good article.

please respond oh great debator