Transcript of Carney's WEF address

This is a transcript of Canadian PM Mark Carney’s speech at the World Economic Forum on Tuesday 20/01/2026, (or 01/20/2026 if you don’t know how ascending or descending order works).

I watched his speech, very well delivered. What a contrast he is to the wacky game-show host that was Trudeau huh? A sudden bastion of common sense, how do people like that always know when to show up? Captain Canada to the rescue.

I know one thing for certain, Carney is a dyed-in-the-wool Globalist, so it will be worth sifting through his words and seeking out true intention as openly expressed by that group. If anyone else is interested in doing that, then here are those words in raw form:

Live now to Davos, we’re hearing from Prime Minister Mark Carney in his keynote address.

Today I will be talking about the rupture in the world order of the end [clears throat] of a pleasant affliction and the start of a brutal reality, where the geopolitics of the large powers is operating without restriction. However, I also put to you that other countries including medium powers such as Canada are not powerless.

These countries have the capacity to build a new world order that enshrine our values such as respect for human rights, sustainable development, solidarity, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of all states.

The power of the medium powers starts with honesty. It seems that every day we’re reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry, that the rules-based order is fading, that the strong can do what they can and the weak must suffer what they must. And this apherimism of thusidities is presented as inevitable, as the natural logic of international relations reasserting itself.

And faced with this logic, there is a strong tendency for countries to go along to get along, to accommodate, to avoid trouble, to hope that compliance will buy safety. Well, it won’t. So, what are our options? In 1978, the Czech dissident Vaslav Havl, later president, wrote an essay called the power of the powerless. And in it, he asked a simple question. How did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a green grosser. Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window. Workers of the world unite. He doesn’t believe it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists, not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havl called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the green grosser removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down. Four decades. [applause] For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. We joined its institutions. We praised its principles. We benefited from its predictability. And because of that, we could pursue values-based foreign policies under its protection.

We knew the story of the international rulesbased order was partially false, that the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient, that trade rules were enforced s asymmetrically. And we knew that international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity of the accused or the victim. This fiction was useful and American hijgemony in particular helped provide public goods, open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.

So we placed the sign in the window. We participated in the rituals and we largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality. This bargain no longer works. Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition. Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, and geopolitics have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration. But more recently, great powers have begun using
economic integration as weapons. Tariffs as leverage, financial infrastructure as coercion, supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.

You cannot live within the lie of mutual benefit through integration. When integration becomes the source of your subordination, the multilateral institutions on which the middle powers have relied, the WTO, the UN, the COP, the architecture, the very architecture of collective problem solving are under threat. And as a result, many countries are drawing the same conclusions that they must develop greater strategic autonomy in energy, food, critical minerals, in finance and supply chains. And this impulse is understandable. A country that can’t feed itself, fuel itself, or defend itself has few options. When the rules no longer protect you, you must protect yourself.

But let’s be clear-eyed about where this leads. A world of fortresses will be poorer, more fragile, and less sustainable. And there’s another truth. If great powers abandon even the pretense of rules and values for the unhindered pursuit of their power and interests, the gains from transactionalism will become harder to replicate. Hegeimons cannot continually monetize their relationships. Allies will diversify to hedge against uncertainty. They’ll buy insurance, increase options in order to rebuild sovereignty. Sovereignty that was once grounded in rules, but will increasingly be anchored in the ability to withstand pressure. This room knows this is classic risk management. Risk management comes at a price.

But that cost of strategic autonomy of sovereignty can also be shared. Collective investments in resilience are cheaper than everyone building their own fortresses. Shared standards reduce fragmentations. Complimentarities are positive some. And the question for middle powers like Canada is not whether to adapt to the new reality. We must. The question is whether we adapt by simply building higher walls or whether we can do something more ambitious. Now, Canada was amongst the first to hear the wakeup call leading us to fundamentally shift our strategic posture. Canadians know that our old comfortable assumptions that our geography and alliance memberships automatically conferred prosperity and security, that assumption is no longer valid.

And our new approach rests on what Alexander Stub, the president of Finland, has termed value-based realism. Or to put another way, we aim to be both principled and pragmatic. principled in our commitment to fundamental values, sovereignty, territorial integrity, the prohibition of the use of force except when consistent with the UN charter, and respect for human rights, and pragmatic in recognizing that progress is often incremental, that interests diverge, that not every partner will share all of our values. So, we’re engaging broadly, strategically with open eyes. We actively take on the world as it is, not wait around for a world we wish to be.

We are calibrating our relationships so their depth reflects our values. And we’re prioritizing broad engagement to maximize our influence given the fluidity of the world at the moment, the risks that this poses and the stakes for what comes next. And we are no longer just relying on the strength of our values, but also the value of our strength. We are building that strength at home. Since my government took office, we have cut taxes on incomes on capital gains and business investment. We have removed all federal barriers to interprovincial trade. We are fast-tracking a trillion dollars of investments in energy, AI, critical minerals, new trade corridors, and beyond. We’re doubling our defense spending by the end of this decade and we’re doing so in ways that build our domestic industries and we are rapidly diversifying abroad.

We’ve agreed a comprehensive strategic partnership with the EU including joining safe the European defense procurement arrangements. We have signed 12 other trade and security deals on four continents in six months. The past few days, we’ve concluded new strategic partnerships with China and Qatar. We’re negotiating free trade packs with India, ASEAN, Thailand, Philippines, and Marasur. We’re doing something else to help solve global problems. We’re pursuing variable geometry. In other words, different coalitions for different issues based on common values and interests. So on Ukraine, we’re a core member of the coalition of the willing and one of the largest per capita contributors to its defense and security.

On Arctic’s sovereignty, we stand firmly with Greenland and Denmark and fully support their unique right to determine Greenland’s future. [applause] Our commitment to NATO’s Article 5 is unwavering. So, we’re working with our NATO allies, including the Nordic Baltic Gate, to further secure the alliance’s northern and western flanks, including through Canada’s unprecedented investments in over the horizon radar, in submarines, in aircraft, and boots on the ground. Boots on the ice.

Canada strongly opposes tariffs over Greenland and calls for focused talks to achieve our shared objectives of security and prosperity in the Arctic. On plurilateral trade, we’re championing efforts to build a bridge between the Trans-Pacific Partnership in the European Union, which would create a new trading block of 1.5 billion people. On critical minerals, we’re forming buyers clubs anchored in the G7 so that the world can diversify away from
concentrated supply. And on AI, we’re cooperating with like-minded democracies to ensure that we won’t ultimately be forced to choose between hedgeimons and hyperscalers.

This is not naive multilateralism, nor is it relying on their institutions. It’s building coalitions that work issues by issue with partners who share enough common [snorts] ground to act together. In some cases, this will be the vast majority of nations. What it’s doing is creating a dense web of connections across trade, investment, culture on which we can draw for future challenges and opportunities. (We) argue that middle powers must act together because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu.

But I’d also say that great powers, great powers can afford for now to go it alone. They have the market size, the military capacity, and the leverage to dictate terms. Middle powers do not. But when we only negotiate bilaterally with a hedgeimon, we negotiate from weakness. We accept what’s offered. We compete with each other to be the most accommodating. This is not sovereignty. It’s the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination. In a world of great power rivalry, the countries in between have a choice. Compete with each other for favor or to combine to create a third path with impact. We shouldn’t allow the rise of hard power to blind us to the fact that the power of legitimacy, integrity, and rules will remain strong if we choose to wield them together, which brings me back to Havl.

What does it mean for middle powers to live the truth? First, it means naming reality. Stop invoking rules-based international order as though it still functions as advertised. Call it what it is, a system of intensifying great power rivalry where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as coercion. It means acting consistently, applying the same standards to allies and rivals. When middle powers criticize economic intimidation from one direction but stay silent when it comes from another, we are keeping the sign in the window.

It means building what we claim to believe in rather than waiting for the old order to be restored. It means creating institutions and agreements that
function as described. And it means reducing the leverage that enables coercion. That’s building a strong domestic economy. should be every government’s immediate priority. And diversification internationally is not just economic prudence. It’s a material foundation for honest foreign policy because countries earn the right to principled stands by reducing their vulnerability to retaliation.

So Canada has what the world wants. We are an energy superpower. We hold vast reserves of critical minerals. We have the most educated population in the world. Our pension funds are amongst the world’s largest and most sophisticated investors. In other words, we have capital, talent. We also have a government with immense fiscal capacity to act decisively. And we have the values to which many others aspire. Canada is a pluralistic society that works. Our public square is loud, diverse, and free. Canadians remain committed to sustainability.

We are a stable and reliable partner in a world that is anything but. A partner that builds and values relationships for the long term. And we have something else. We have a recognition of what’s happening and a determination to act accordingly. We understand that this rupture calls for more than adaptation. It calls for honesty about the world as it is. We are taking a sign out of the window. We know the old order is not coming back. We shouldn’t mourn it. Nostalgia is not a strategy.

But we believe that from the fracture, we can build something bigger, better, stronger, more just. This is the task of the middle powers, the countries that have the most to lose from a world of fortresses and a most to gain from genuine cooperation. [snorts] The powerful have their power, but we have something too. The capacity to stop pretending, to name reality, to build our strength at home, and to act together. That is Canada’s path. We choose it openly and confidently, and it is a path wide open to any country willing to take it with us. Thank you very much. [applause]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye9RHNzRjgc

Transcript via: https://downsub.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYe9RHNzRjgc

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Having read that speech this morning, I too was going to
post it, thanks for beating me to it… no, seriously thanks…

He quite clearly says the old order is gone, done for…
Personally, I hope he is wrong, but suspect he is right…
today, the world is at one of those inflection points that
happen, fairly regular in the world… things are going to be
chaotic for a while now, but eventually, some sort of
of equilibrium, a balance will occur and the new world
order will be upon us…I suspect that I will be dead when this
new world order settles in…

Think of it this way… our solar system is relatively orderly,
let us say a star come along and shakes things up… suddenly
planets are moving from their orbit… the sky, the very familiar
sky of a million years, is no longer the same… but eventually,
eventually, the planets will have some sort of balance, some
sort of order reappears because of the laws of physics…
Gravity eventually sorts out these things… impersonally,
but with a certainty that comes from having laws of physics,
that are relatively fixed in the universe…eventually, the planets
will return to some order… it will return to an equilibrium,
because if it doesn’t, it will destroy the solar system… this balance,
this new normal, comes about because of the laws of physics…
and this is true of human beings and their social order…
we have certain ‘‘laws’’ of being human that cannot be ignored
or wished away…that we are social beings, that cannot be denied,
that we must have other human beings, to be able to meet our
needs, both bodily and psychologically…

Life has a normal to it, and when that normal is disrupted, after time,
it will return to the new normal…the new equilibrium or balance,
that underscores our human existence…and that balance is
all about the creation of routine… if there was one marker of
being human, it is within the routine that all human beings
thrive on and work very hard to create…if you want to throw
people off, just change their routine, even a little bit, and
people just lose it…much of the ‘‘Karens’’ outburst
comes from that change in routine… and they can’t handle
it… I speak as much a victim of routine as anyone else…
that is a major part of retirement… the loss of routine, of waking up
at a certain time, of showing the same time, the movement toward
work, via public transportation or by private, car or bike…
and having lunch at the same time, normally with the same food,
and then going home, all standardized because it has become
part of the routine… but at retirement, all that routine goes away…
it has taken me quite a while to settle into a routine… and even then,
occasionally, I lose it based on how this new normal, this new routine
is going…Even the basics, finding a bedtime that works has become
a problem…

Now let us return to the macro view of the world, not the micro view…
in a change in the world order, requires a change in our routine,
we seek out a new normal, a new routine that allows us our comfort
level… and this is just as true for large entities likes countries
and states, as it is true for individuals… recall Covid… the
creation of a new routine, of a new standard of living, and how
that fucked up everyone because of this disruption of our
daily routine… and it took a long time for the supply lines that
feed and clothe and bring us products that we need/want,
that disruption caused havoc in our lives, and that supply chain
issue is still hampering us today, but we have settled into a
new America which has a new routine… and this loss of
our freedoms in our new police state, that too, will eventually
settle down into a new routine… until the police state falls, and then
a new routine will emerge… with every new change, there is
a creation of a new routine, a new normal…What Carney has
done is to announce the end of the old world order, and in comes
a new world order… and what that will bring, no one knows…
but until that new world order becomes routine, it will create quite
a bit of chaos and disorder…and all because of a mentally
ill president… it is sad, but realistically, change was coming…
the status quo really ever stays the status quo… change
is a’coming…

What the new world order will be, in the next decade or 20 years, I
have no idea… and I most likely won’t be alive to see it…

but therein lies the question, of which only you have the answer,
what kind of world do you want? What should the new world
order look like? As we derive our routines and working lives
around the world order, what sort of world do you want to see,
and just as importantly, how do we achieve that new world order?

What do you want to see happen?

Kropotkin

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Thanks for your post Peter, it was highly appropriate to this issue, I thought.

Carney is right, the old order is gone; the technological Pandora’s box has been opened, and the lid is not going back on.

It’s not one of those inflection points that happen fairly regularly, this era is entirely unprecedented, we have all been gifted the power of telepathy, worldwide, and have access to powerful technology, something so significant for the entire species that it makes the invention of the printing press seem almost inconsequential. People are desperately looking to the past to discern how things might go in the future, but I say that is a mostly pointless exercise, as the past simply has no record of events that are appropriate to the current era.

My problem, now and forever, is with the Globalists, of which Carney is clearly one.

They are seeking equilibrium by attempting the total removal of opposing forces, which obviously just works against equilibrium and creates an unsustainable state which can’t possibly last. There is nowhere else for the human race to go, apart from Earth, uniting the entire species under one governmental body is the most ridiculous idea of all time. All further development will be technological and society will stagnate and eventually die from lack of natural variation and selection provided by multiple groups. We will become little more than a species of insect-like producers, but one that is doomed because there is no new fledgling colony to be realised through migration. Any expectations of that in the next several thousand years is just Star Trek nonsense. I love sci-fi, but I am also heartily sick of it when it is used to provide fantastical suggestions for how our species will survive in the future, and these days it is bleeding into actual science, and corrupting it and creating false hope.

There will be an eventual return to equilibrium, as you describe in your analogy, but the big question is: will the species will survive the process?

What the Globalists seek, is administration over the entire planet, and all of its resources whether human or otherwise. They are frantically developing AI so that those resources and the systems needed to administer them can be managed effectively, otherwise they know full well they wouldn’t stand a chance on that scale.

What we’re seeing right now, is the unmasking of true power in the west, Trump is surrounded by billionaires who openly influence decisions and policy. The globalists themselves, like Carney, are openly taking positions of power, and the puppets are being discarded in favour of the masters. I expect to see a lot more of this in the near future.

What I want to see happen, and what will likely happen, are two different things. I would like the U.S. to stop being the idiotic, greedy and morally bankrupt aggressor that it is, and for the ridiculous, and equally morally bankrupt nations that hang on its coat-tails to go back to focusing on domestic issues and social development instead of hiding behind a psychotic bully. I would like to see the world and its nations develop and proceed more naturally, instead of being directed by clinically insane greedy psychopaths. But that is not likely to happen, there will be collapse, and strife, at least in certain hemispheres, and people are going to learn very quickly what it means to go back to basics - the very bare essentials. That is going to be a very hard knock for many people, and many just won’t survive.

But then the Globalists will rear their ugly heads, and promise order and peace, and most people will accept it willingly, and a new epoch of slavery will ensue. Of course they want to reduce the population, drastically, because so many people simply won’t be needed anymore when everything can be automated. They want to fully direct the development of the species; they are megalomaniacs on an unprecedented scale and should be opposed by every thinking person, especially anyone with children.

All we can do at the moment is watch, I guess, but they won’t get me crawling into those ideological boxes to argue about pointless shit, and they won’t have me trusting anyone in a position of wealth and power, not for two f**king seconds.

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I thank you for your response…
However, with that said, I do oppose some aspects of
what you said…

I believe that the ‘‘Globalist’’ are right, just for the wrong
reasons… A look at human history show us that we human
beings have gone from the one, to the few/family, to tribes,
to something every larger, the city/state, to nations, to
unions like the EU… and that growth will continue,
into every larger unions…if the human race survives,
a dicey proposition as of right now, but if we survive,
a global world is inevitable, and in my mind, desirable…
but unlike you, I hold that this new world order can be, indeed
must be free and democratic… there are two laws written
in my heart, just as Kant felt there were two values in his heart,
my values are encapsulated in two sayings…

  1. That all men are created equal…
  2. government of the people, for the people, by the people…

one may hold that my entire political beliefs center on these two
sayings… every other political belief of mine is centered on these
two sayings…and I fight every day for these two beliefs to become
reality, both in words and in actions… what do I do today to make
these two saying a reality?

In thinking about it, every single value I hold to be true,
comes in one fashion or another, from these two sayings…
that all my beliefs stem from these two beliefs is something
I have slowly become aware of… every political, social,
economic and philosophical belief in one fashion or another
stems from my idea that ''all men are created equal"
and that is why I have suggested in the past, that the highest
value of human existence, more than freedom, is justice…
and what is justice? equality… being equal before the law,
being equal socially, politically, economically and philosophically…

And for me, working toward justice for all, is ‘‘Ad meliora’’
toward the better… and fighting or mocking justice, that is
nihilism… fighting against equality, justice, equal rights,
that to me, is nihilism…to deny human beings and their values…
very little of conservative values are ‘‘Ad meliora’’ toward the better,
most conservative values are nihilistic because they deny human beings
and their values… nihilism is negative, ‘‘ad meliora’’ is positive…
and therein lies the modern story… and which are you?

Kropotkin

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I don’t believe a global world is inevitable, or desirable. The previous natural progression you describe was all directly influenced by population growth and emerging systems of governance, but at the end of the day there are still 195 distinct nations in our world. A giant leap from that to a single worldwide nation is not progress in my view, it is a ham-fisted attempt to unite the world under a one world government, when one is simply not needed - the nation state model works just fine, we just need a way to unite together and oppose any nation that would seek to upset the balance and enforce tyranny on others. I think that is taking place right as we speak, so it’s certainly not impossible. The erosion of cultures and all that entails: art, architecture, identity, beliefs and social norms, would be a devastating loss to our species - we need to preserve diversity, because diversity is the key to development.

I would say that if your political beliefs hinge on those two sayings, then you could have selected a lot worse than those to adhere to. But the Globalists will not create a “government of the people”, they will be entirely detached from what common people have to endure and adhere to, because that already happens right now; they are demonstrably above the law and completely immune to it, do you think it will get better with that much power being concentrated into so few hands?

I am absolutely “ad meloria”, but not because I shun conservatism, or liberalism - I think both political ideologies have merit. But they have both been polarised and heavily branded in this age, and I refuse point blank to be labelled as either of them, or be pulled into that fruitless and sometimes highly stupid and hormonally driven adolescent arguments about who is right and who is wrong.

Over in the U.S. you have got that sickness really bad. We have “left” and “right” in the UK, but people don’t often argue over which mainstream political party they support and why, I think they realised a while back, perhaps in the 1990’s when Tony Blair emerged, that both are out to con, misdirect and steal. I think Americans should realise the same for their own sanity, and so they can direct their attentions elsewhere instead of wasting time being split (almost exactly) 50/50, even on unrelated issues which have been somehow merged into the divide.

For example, because I am opposed to the outright murder of Rene Good, I will be branded as a “liberal” by most Americans, how utterly preposterous is that? No, crawl out of the fucking boxes, you are trapped in them and they have soundproofed walls, you are getting nowhere with anything, that is why the power holders are making a mockery of your endeavours and controlling you so effortlessly.

Those are my political beliefs.

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I think that’s supposed to read grocer.

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Unless it refers to the Grinch.

I mostly just left it as it was, there are probably better transcripts available, and I didn’t need to do any work at all, but that process was part of reading through it.

Niall:
but at the end of the day there are still 195 distinct nations in our world. A giant leap from that to a single worldwide nation is not progress in my view, it is a ham-fisted attempt to unite the world under a one world government, when one is simply not needed - the nation state model works just fine, we just need a way to unite together and oppose any nation that would seek to upset the balance and enforce tyranny on others. I think that is taking place right as we speak, so it’s certainly not impossible. The erosion of cultures and all that entails: art, architecture, identity, beliefs and social norms, would be a devastating loss to our species - we need to preserve diversity, because diversity is the key to development.

K: and there are 195 distinct nations in the world and yet, the growth
of nations is a relatively recent event…for example, Rome when it
invaded and conquered other areas, quite often there was not nation structure
involved…For example, what nation did Rome invade when it invaded
England? the rise of modern nations states came about after the
Middle ages…one could say, that France for example didn’t become
a nation until fairly recently… the history of France for example shows
us that it wasn’t until the treaty of Verdun, which created the nation of
West Francia, which was 843… and the ‘‘nation’’ of the Capetian dynasty
was not very strong at all… it wasn’t until the hundred years war
was engaged in roughly 1453 and France didn’t become a
modern nation-state until the revolution of 1789… The modern
idea of nation didn’t come about until after the Renaissance,
which in Italy was roughly after 1400 and even later in other
parts of Europe… What my point is that our current system
is relatively new.. in say the last 600 years… and that system
must continue to evolve to survive… but as the environment changes
we must continue to change, evolve… the idea of small tribes that
was the mainstay of human existence for over a million years, and it worked
until it didn’t…once the environment changed, we had to change…
and the current system of nations has worked, and now it doesn’t…
and we need to change and adapt to a new system…
Carney speech reveals to us this need to change and adapt…
the rise of NATO and the EU and growing need for alliances in
the pacific… are examples of the movement toward unions,
alliances, and treaties… an ever-growing movement away from
the idea of Nations being in a Hobbesian ‘‘state of nature’’
in which a nation must depend on itself for its own survival,
is and has been for some time, obsolete…
The exact same reasons individuals, way back in the ancient
world, decided to unite, to create a ‘‘social contract’’ is the exact
same reasons that nations unite into treaties, unions and
alliances… that we are unable, by ourselves to be able to
protect ourselves and so we seek out friends with these
treaties, unions, and alliances… we can, as of now, have
the United States protect itself, but what about the other
nations… we see this in Europe today…the rise of the American
idiot, IQ45 has forced other nations to unite, come closer in
their treaties, unions and alliances… and that is how we human
beings roll, we unite, connect in ‘‘times of troubles’’… we unify
and not divide in troubled times…
and that is why we shall continue to go from tribes to city/states
to nations and then finally a global unity…I would guessmate
that within two hundred years, that the world will be one, politically,
economically and socially…and there may, very easily, a ‘‘World
War’’ in the meantime, but even that event, assuming it doesn’t
end the world, will bring us even further closer to global unity…

Kropotkin

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I better sleep. I’ll reply to this ^^^ tomorrow, it’s interesting and raises good points.

Edit - removed video.

for two reasons, I don’t do vids… one, I am deaf,
and two, vids are a poor excuse in a philosophy website…

Kropotkin

Fair do’s, I’ll reply tomorrow.

Hi Peter.

I haven’t had time to formulate a response, and here is the reason:

I’m quite sure that we are viewing Globalism from different perspectives.

I am viewing it from the forced and heavy-handed way that it is currently being politically implemented. That process is being conducted with a fixed outcome in mind, and I don’t trust the people who have designed (or desired) that outcome, at all. They hide in the shadows, but allow spokespeople like Carney to represent them from time to time. If their intentions were noble, they would not be hiding in the shadows.

You appear to be viewing it from a standpoint of logical societal (and perhaps evolutionary) progression, as an inevitability for our species at some point. I believe that’s highly likely to happen eventually, but it’s not going to happen via the mechanism they have on offer, trust me on that.

This is an inadequate reply, but I need to read further about your framing, as I don’t know enough about it to provide a more detailed response.

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hay, no rush on my part… take your time and think it though..

Kropotkin

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Once again it seems like false dichotomies and excluded middles. As usual, 2 people arguing while excluding the middle.

In Star Trek there is a United World Government, while also keeping racial diversity and individual states. For example there are Russian, Black, Scottish, White main characters of Star Trek, just on Earth.

Then in the Federation of Planets there are aliens which keep their distinct alien racial identity and cultures.

We forgot all about Star Trek!

Of course! That’s the answer to the whole thing..

You certainly provided the “middle” there, my friend: the full fulcrum of fact to balance our false dichotomies.. Spock be praised!

Thank you!

/sarc

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