We need spirituality!

Hi,

I still regard myself as a Christian, although I am anything but orthodox in the modern sense. I believe that spirituality is an aspect of life which arises from a right-brain dominance, just as the arts, empathy, creativity and intuition do. In fact, these things are often associated with religion – even music is supposed to be governed by the right side of the brain, despite it’s mathematical structure. Of course we have and use both sides of the brain, but those of us who have a right-side dominance tend towards some kind of spirituality – even if it isn’t regarded as religion.

The critics of people like me have a left-brain dominance and they find my comments imprecise and lacking in exactitude, they say my meaning is all nebulous and unable to be distinguished. They use their abilities in critical thinking and logic to argue with me and so effectively fail to see the point. Unless they use their underdeveloped abilities from the right-brain half, we will never come to common ground. Although, curiously, these people often use their right-brain abilities at will as a form of inspiration.

There are, of course those who are religious and yet use their left-brain side, and who find logic and reasoning quite usable for their religion, which is somehow a reckoning similar to math, and they agree that my kind of spirituality is nebulous and call it “New Age”. The problem is that they are regularly shown that their logic is fallible and, if their religion is at all spiritual, it must involve those nebulous aspects as well. But these people also use their right-brain abilities when it suits them.

My thesis is that we need both sides of our brains to be full human beings and although it may be that we can’t use both sides simultaneously, it is important to be aware that we have a dominance and that we do in fact alternate at will, even if we think that we are, for example, either very logical or very creative. This may be one reason why we tend to overlook our duality and get caught up in one side of the story, failing to acknowledge our “blind-spots”.

Having visited the parish I was once an Elder to because they were writing a history of the parish and I was part of it, I watched the members carefully, seeing their traits that were still visible through their illnesses, losses and old-age. Most of them were suffering, their words stumbled over their attempts to be humble, tears came spontaneously, deep sighs interrupted their statements and I had a very clear feeling that the project was causing them pain, even though they had intended to celebrate the 100-year history of the parish. In fact, I thought that here and there, people were present despite their convictions. The parish had become divided by an argument about one of the clergy who had been asked by the Elders, me being the spokesman at that time, to leave. As an aside, the Pastor is a friend of mine and now enjoys his calling in another Parish where his talents are fully employed.

As I watched the people struggle through the afternoon, I thought about how lacking these people were of the teaching of impermanence and how they struggled with life. What especially came to mind is that their belief in the cross of Christ challenged them daily, expecting them to struggle on until death and then find deliverance from their suffering. They failed to recognise the basic teaching of Buddha, which I also find in the Gospels, that suffering is caused by clinging to desire, and that there are methods which can help relieve the suffering. They failed to see that it was those things that they were clinging to which were becoming the source of pain.

This gave me more conviction than ever that spirituality is what people need in such cases, and that each culture has its own various traditions – more importantly, that what we need is to see that the teaching of some traditions are clearer in certain aspects than others, and that we need to appreciate that we can dip in to all traditions without “betraying” our own. We need the whole spectrum of human experience to cope with life.

Any thoughts?

Hi Bob,

I also have the almost the same viewpoint as yours.

The only difference i have is that we should not fall into the trap of blind faith as it is the most dangerous thing to have. We should treat spitituality at par with science and fallow the same parameters.

with love
sanjay

Thank you, of course you are right that blind faith tends to be extremist and dangerous, and that many problems stem from this behaviour.

What I was pointing to, however, is that spirituality and science are complementary, but not the same. Agreed, most of Buddhist teaching (at least in the West) is not at odds with science, although here and there in the east there are certain aspects which do have the traits of mythology and need to be translated, if they can, into scientific language. However, the aspects of spirituality which employ intuition or are expression of artistic freedom and creativity are valuable in themselves, without laying claim to historicity, and should be included in the treasures of our heritage, regardless of which tradition they come from. They must only be acknowledged as being what they are.

The deep psychological truths in the Greek plays and in the Hindu scriptures, to name but a couple of sources, have been made popular by people like Thomas Moore (Care of the Soul, Soul’s Religion etc.) and we need more people to do that. We must understand that Spirituality is not nebulous, but broadly diverse, showing how universal the language of Myth is, and how relevant it is on a sole level of human awareness.

Namaste

Spirituality is nebulous precisely because it’s diverse. Meaning, no two people have a common understanding of spirituality ; there’s no standard of spirituality.

But human awareness is solid and undeniable. I can go with spirituality if the spirit of it is the awareness reading these words at this moment. That awareness, this awareness, is stuff of the universe, and is a live-wire connection to the sources of our being. That to me is true spirituality.

Good post Bob, nice job.

I think the balance between left and right brain you suggest is found in the larger human mind, all of us together.

The divisive nature of thought generates a strong illusion that we are separate individuals. It’s closer to the truth to see all of humanity as a single organism. Like a wolf pack, that hunts as a group or it doesn’t survive.

We have all these thoughts that we think are our personal property, but the truth is that it’s rare for any human being to have an idea that is truly new, truly theirs. The vast majority of the time we are absorbing ideas from the culture around us, and then spitting them back, while declaring them our own. The whole thing is largely a fantasy.

It should be noted that blind faith is not limited to religion. The majority of the slaughter in the twentieth century was committed by those who had blind faith in atheistic Marxism. Blind faith is a human thing, not a specifically religious thing.

I agree that there is no standard for spirituality, but I believe that the prime requirement is that the spirit flow freely, and that we do not attempt to bind or restrict it. This is what we often find in religion, where books and dogmas are of utmost importance. Scripture is a starting point, where we begin to fathom the ineffable reality but we have to transcend the letter and move on to the spirit – to the law written on the heart, which has become flesh and blood.

Funnily enough, I’m coming round to believing that human awareness is anything but “solid”, albeit undeniable. We seem to experience varying waves of consciousness which we perceive as “us” but which can even be contradictory, and have us changing direction in mid-flight. The consciousness that would have us be calm and collected is opposed by the consciousness that has us scream at the driver in front of us. The consciousness that perceives that compassion is what the world needs is refuted by the consciousness which jealously guards its belongings against poorer people by reasoning what they have done to deserve their fate.

However, mindfully observing these waves crashing down, and realising that we too are as dynamic as a river, always in motion and changing constantly, makes us probably more aware that religion, with its books, laws and beliefs will always fall foul of this changeability, failing to see that hypocrisy rises out of the impossibility of a permanent and static morality, but needs to instead transcend to love and the spirit, and flow with life.

Yes, there certainly is the collective aspect to take into account. Our interconnectedness is so complete that when we take time to reflect on it, we have difficulty in separating “our” ideas from “their” ideas. I found this to be true when I was in my twenties. I was a prolific writer in my teens and I filled reams of paper with my thoughts and ideas (when I think of all those trees I weep!) and then I started reading. I had a good teacher who selected the literature I should read and I found all of these ideas, images, incidents and stories that I had been mimicking and I suddenly stopped writing. I told my young wife that I could hardly ever write another word until I had read everything I could (a daunting task). Now I have read widely, though not as extensively as I had thought I could, and I will never claim to have an original thought again.

Instead, the question is, what do we do with what we have come to understand?

This is quite right of course, even though the ideology of Stalin and Hitler did have a religious background.

Hi friends,

To Bob-

You said- What I was pointing to, however, is that spirituality and science are complementary, but not the same.

I can understand what you are referring to but I would like to take one step forward. Due to some of my personal experiences I can say without any hesitation that spirituality is also science and even more scientific than science. It may sound bit loud but it is true.

The reason of this phenomenon is that spirituality does not walk on the legs of borrowed knowledge like science. Each and every one has to cover the entire spread on its own.
In science we can start from the any middle alphabet like “f”, “j” or “p” instead of “a” and still reach up to “z” successfully but in spirituality it is not possible. No shortcuts are allowed and perhaps this is the only difference between science and spirituality.

The basic problem with spirituality is that it is not perceived properly by the intellectual populace. But it is not their fault as there are valid reasons for that.

You said- Agreed, most of Buddhist teaching (at least in the West) is not at odds with science,

Yes. The reason lies in the very nature of the Buddhism. Unlike Islam and Christianity, it is an unorthodox religion. It does not postulate any ultimate concrete goal like the orthodox ones. Instead of that, it holds that the process more important than the final frontier. Thus its true adherents seem to be more realistic and more acceptable to the scientific community.

You said- The deep psychological truths in the Greek plays and in the Hindu scriptures, to name but a couple of sources, have been made popular by people like Thomas Moore (Care of the Soul, Soul’s Religion etc.) and we need more people to do that.

I am neutral on these new-age spirituality. Although, I do not doubt their intension but do not think that they can contribute much positives to the society. The reason is the same as I mentioned earlier in this post. All of their knowledge is borrowed not earned.

A lame walking with the help of crutch cannot teach anyone else how to run.

You said- Namaste

That is surprising and pleasing too. Thanks for that.

To V—W

You said- Spirituality is nebulous precisely because it’s diverse. Meaning, no two people have a common understanding of spirituality ; there’s no standard of spirituality.

You are half right and half wrong.

Yes, no two people have a common understanding of spirituality yet it can serve the purpose.

Ours is a vast planet and the inhabitants of each of every region of it use to have different types of eatables. There are vegetarians, non-vegetarians while some rely only on sea food yet we all are still alive. The reason is that though prime-facie our food may look different but our body converts all types of food in glucose and we all survive. So the thing to be noticed is glucose, not the eatables.

The same is applicable to spirituality and religions. Those may appear altogether different at the surface but these differentiations do not matter because those can still serve the purpose. Somewhere, deep down there, all of them are composed of more or less same ingredients.

Spirituality has standards for sure. Sufism, Vedanta, Buddhism, Jainism and many other different schools have been set standards ages ago. There might be some differences here and there but those do not matter at all.

If we can recognize the degrees of Howard and Oxford and many others, then what is the problem in accepting the
standards set by different spiritual schools?

To Typist-

HI Typist,
How are you? It is good to see you.

You said- We have all these thoughts that we think are our personal property, but the truth is that it’s rare for any human being to have an idea that is truly new, truly theirs. The vast majority of the time we are absorbing ideas from the culture around us, and then spitting them back, while declaring them our own. The whole thing is largely a fantasy.

Agreed. As I said already in this post that this is the crux of problem. This is the only reason i do not have much faith in so called gurus. All their knowledge is borrowed, not earned and thus bears very nominal value. This is merely conventional academics.

But Typist, are we brave enough to accept this? I do not think so as it could leave us intellectually insolvent.

You said-It should be noted that blind faith is not limited to religion. The majority of the slaughter in the twentieth century was committed by those who had blind faith in atheistic Marxism. Blind faith is a human thing, not a specifically religious thing.

Agreed. I would like to add that some have blind faith in science too as they expect that it will answer all queries one day.

with love
sanjay

Can you define “spirituality”? I hear the word so much, but have no idea what it is supposed to mean.

Well, although this has been one point that we have spoken about. If you look in a dictionary …

World English Dictionary
spirituality (ˌspɪrɪtjʊˈælɪtɪ)

— n , pl -ties

  1. the state or quality of being dedicated to God, religion, or spiritual things or values, esp as contrasted with material or temporal ones
  2. the condition or quality of being spiritual
  3. a distinctive approach to religion or prayer: the spirituality of the desert Fathers
  4. ( often plural ) Church property or revenue or a Church benefice

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009

Example Sentences
Matters of spirituality are rarely so simple to define or describe.
And both considered church and spirituality to be a fundamental part of their lives.
How sad it is that you’d limit your spirituality for your brains pleasure.

That is a poor definition of spirituality.

Spirit is about the flow of action, behavior.
High spirit refers to enthusiasm and high hopes that cause action.
Low spirit refers to depression and lack of hope that causes idleness.

The religions are all about the behavior of people as individuals, but more often as groups.
Religion MEANS, “maintaining the legion/group”.

The “spirit” is the behavior or flow of action.
Spiritualism, is a focus on such concerns.

To say that we need spirituality is to say that we need to focus on perceived hopes and threats, PHT.
Such things often relate to God or other thoughts of behavioral hope or threat.

That is an interesting take on spirituality and I thank you for it. I feel that you are right and about spirituality also being science, although I couldn’t back it up myself at the present. Perhaps I’ll come to understand you more …

Having read the book “Living as a River” by Bodhipaksa I can appreciate what you are saying. He looked at the six element meditation through the lens of modern science and came up with very interesting answers.

I wouldn’t add Thomas to the “New Age” group since he is a therapist with a good deal of insight and his books are sensational in as much that they show that medicine can become holistic in the sense that if it also takes up the concerns of the soul, healing is faster and more thorough. If we had environments which did the same, we would have a chief component of being able to live healthier (Care of the Soul in Medicine)

But so are you surprising and pleasing …

Namaste

Thank you for your perspective … perhaps we’ll get to appreciate each others views in the course of time …

Hi bob,

Still at it, huh? :slight_smile: The problem with spirituality is that it disappears as soon as we think on it. Spirituality isn’t and can’t be a definition, it is an unspoken understanding. How we react to our moments of heightened awareness is of duality, which in a perverse way, leads us away from our spiritual experiences. That which is ineffable is… ineffable. I’ve come to the conclusion that we don’t have spirituality, we ARE spirituality - but only if we let it go. Digging in the garden is just as spiritual as practicing meditation in a cloister. Spirituality is the sum of us and all about us. I would say more, but…

Peace, my friend.

Yeah, the dictionary definition leaves much to be desired. It doesn’t actually say anything worth a damn.

Tent and James, check out my thread on Spirituality, I’d like to hear from you guys.

Yeah, I think our bro Bob may have jumped the gun, and bit off more than he could chew. Maybe not. Time will tell.

Link?

This is a sickness, no doubt.

Hi Tentative,

I’m always pleased to hear from you, and yes, I’m still at it, though I’ve learnt a lot in the last years which has made me more peaceful - especially the fact that the spirit has to flow and that love is there when it is spontaneous, and everything we cling to weighs us down and can become a source of suffering.

The unspoken understanding you speak of is a good expression, but I find spirituality also between the lines in all kinds of art, whether pictorial, sung, spoken or written, also in certain forms of architecture and interior design, in fact all over the place where, as you say, people let go and let it flow.

I think that spirituality should be about us all, but the world is under pressure from people who can’t let go, who need predicted results, who need everything in writing and who can’t transcend the letter …

Peace to you too, my friend

PS I find it interesting how I am already being written off here … :laughing:

spirituality leaves us to guess for ourselves what our own thoughts are on self-awareness and other knowledge we’ve attained. The knowledge we have attained though will define for “us” what true spirituality is and has always been. To think we can come up with a conclusion with just words is retarded though. Just do some digging and see what you come up with on your own is my advise, it can get pretty controversial out there especially when you involve religion. #-o