So which is it, Satyr?
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Normalcy, is achievable when everyone is on the same page, so until then.. 
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Imagine the extreme-Left Communist UK-Labour government despising the Tommy Robinson march-attendees because there were loads of Caribbean and black and brown people there.. including Muslims.
..as the only ones crying over the peaceful protests, our divisive government is the only one causing divisions.
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The human condition cannot be measured in abstracts, because emotions are real, and sub-speciesā innate emotions and needs are different/not the same as each others.
Everything is GIVEN value by an evaluatorā¦so everything has potential value in reference to an objective., This value is NEVER equalā¦nor intrinsic.
Only life willsā¦has motives, has objectives, because it needs. Itās weakness is what makes it evaluate, judge, in reference to its objectives, promising satisfaction of his needs.
Same goes for individual animals, belonging to specific speciesā¦Same applies to humans.
The OBJECTIVE relative to the evaluatorās needs/desires gives value.
And these evaluations are fluctuating, not absolute, not final.
Now go off and find your master to bestow value upon you slave.
You mean individuals, Iām sure? And you spoke in abstraction about individuality. And that is exactly what the golden rule means. Respect each otherās differences (which respect each otherās differences) because thatās what we would want others to do for us.
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If value has to be given, how was the ability to give value ever able to get off the ground?
And if there is an eternal valuer that didnāt have to have it given to them, youāre wrong.
All we gotta do is acknowledge that we are all evaluators (in the image of original value) and that we canāt devalue any evaluator without devaluing our own self.
By the way, how are you going to measure that value in order to know whether or not it has increased or decreased, or become/is greater or less? This is the same question as āWho is the neighbor?ā Enjoy being a person to other personsā¦ person.
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āOff the groundā?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Need is the groundā¦
Applicationā¦
You apply your judgments, your evaluation and then constantly adjust them - ADAPTATION.
If you fail you pay the priceā¦YOU! Not that which you failed to evaluate properly. It remains indifferent to your or my, evaluations of it.
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Please stop talking to me.
ā¦for the recordā¦ you are bothā¦ or you just plain are a (couple of) weirdo(s).
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When I can honestly say thereās really nothing to complain about, no problem with present life, thereās something, some thought/evaluator saying there seems to be a problem because it extracts certain knowledge out of past pleasures and pains, compares the present with it, passes judgments, avoids the present by concocting a future and pursuing it. But for the comparisons that this thinking makes there is no problem with life as it is; and there is no other life. Itās thought of a better state that prevents coming to terms with life as it is.
In order to change things one must first understand themā¦and the collateral effects of doing so.
Humans intervene in every aspect of natureā¦with terrible consequences.
Pollutantsā¦material and geneticā¦manifesting all kinds of unfit, strange psychosomatic consequences. Like transexuality.
Quick review while youāre banned, neener neener.
Ichthus77: An objective requires the ability to valueā¦itās what you want.
Satyr: And only that which needs and desires has objectivesā¦
Ichthus77: The worldview that values every personhood equally is a balanced one. Flipping the script is every other making much of the other. The only legitimate way to multiply value without limit.
Satyr: So, everything is of āequal valueā because our objectives must be collective?
Ichthus77: I didnāt say everything we value is of equal value. Only personsā¦the sources of value. You canāt devalue a person without self-destructing.
Satyr: Persons are of equal value to whom?
Ichthus77: You are a person. If you devalue personhood, you take it personally. Your psyche cannot distort without dissonance or compensating for it. // We are persons. If we devalue personhood, we take it personally. Our psyches cannot distort without dissonance or compensating for it. // I am a person. If I devalue personhood, I take it personally. My psyche cannot distort without dissonance or compensating for it.
Satyr: Who devalues person-hood?
Ichthus77: āWho devalues person-hood?ā
āPersons are of equal value to whom?ā
So which is it, Satyr?
Now start back at the beginning of my reply and think of evolutionary theoryās attempts to fit all of living natureās objectives under survivalā¦even though persons/valuers will die for each otherā¦and the person every religion and (non-self-destructing) philosopher respects died even for their enemies/competitors.