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silly.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus/
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yes, in thinking, and humility.
Thank-you for your sympathy and the wonderful poem. I love it! Let us rage against how our bodies will evenutally fail us. Let us rage until we find a cure for death. 100 years ago most people were dead by 46. Many now live to 80+. 
Perhaps, the survivalist, sci.fi writer Heinleinâs predictions will come true and we will be able to live as long as we choose, and just have a suicide button when sick of it all. Lazarus Long, one the main Heinlein characters was 3,000 years old in the beginning of one book. BTW, Heinlein is pronounced Hineline, as he is of German lineage.
Smiles, and thanks again for you kind regards.
I am sorry for your loss, and do hope you have wonderful memories of your father as I do. Wrap yourself in those wonderful thoughts for comfort. Smile when you think of him, and enjoy what is left of this short existence we call life. I know it is difficult as I am still struggling, but this is what my mother told me he would want of me.
I do not know who wrote the following poem, and you probably have seen it before, but here goes:
Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow
I am the sunlight on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumnâs rain.
When you awaken in the morningâs hush,
I am the uplifting rush,
Of quiet birds in circled flight,
I am the soft starts that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there, I did not die
I am forever.
I hope this helps, as your poem helped me.
You judge me? And then accuse me of arrogance and faulty thinking. If you disagree with me tell me how and avoid these infantile ad hominiem attacks.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus
Can you seee my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus, your statement regarding, âI have just shown you that death isnât less pleasurable to some people.â as just âan opinion!â prompted my response regarding arrogance. There are many who prefer death to the pain of living as demonstrated by the number of suicides worldwide. Then your say I am judging you, look in the mirror and think about who is judging whom? This blogger did make a valid point, and this is not just an opinion.
It is difficult to take you seriously. But I am going to assume that you are simply il-informed. That statement is an opinion. To prefer death is one thing to claim as you have that it is less painful to living is not a factual statement.
âThere are many who prefer death to the pain of living as demonstrated by the number of suicides worldwide.â
You make blanket statements like this and do not substantiate them with any supporting data. Again, these are your opinions.
âThen your say I am judging you, look in the mirror and think about who is judging whom?â
I challenged your opinions not your right to have one.
âThis blogger did make a valid point, and this is not just an opinionâ
Nope, just unsubstantiated opinions. You are welcome to them but they hardly rise to the level of an intelligent philosophical debate based on factual data. You must be very young?
Can you see my difficulties.
Homo Mysticus
Like I give a monkeyâs ass if you take me seriously. If you do not, do not respond to my posts. This is very simple. The point the poster made is the opinion of the many who do commit suicide. That these individuals feel death is not less preferable than life. This is a fact, rather than an opinion.
Do you want direct statements from suicide note, from suicide survivors? At one point my brother felt death was not less preferable to life and made a suicide attempt. The pain of the nightmares (chopper pilot during Vietnam) was difficult. You know, the screaming in the middle of the night, etc. These nightmares torment many vets.
âThis blogger did make a valid point, and this is not just an opinionâ
Again, do you want direct quotes from those suffering from depression, survivors of suicide attempts, suicide notes. Second, I have a 26 year-old son. Third, I teach Argument and Logic in the college classroom. Fourth, I am 52. Perhaps, you might consider taking a few Psychology classes, as I have, to understand that many simply do not see death as less pleasurable to life.
Again, yes, you appear to have difficulty in admitting your error and lack of humility.
Homo Mysticus
I have spoken to very many people who have expressed a wish to die, and in some cases have gone on to kill themselves, because life was too (usually emotionally) painful for them, and they imagined that death would be less so. This is not my opinion, it was theirs, expressed to me as fact.
your favourite response seems to be to declare something as opinion (even gracing me with a number of question marks (or was your button stuck? 
), and then failing to follow this up. I am not questioning your reasoning, just that it isnât particularly enlightening to the debate, especially when there are reasonable grounds to suppose that a statement has more substance to it than just subjective and unsubstantiated opinion.
Yes, I agree Al. Have a great day. My father just passed Friday, and the fact that he kept pulling his oxygen out indicated to me and my mother that he no longer wished to suffer. He could not speak, but he did not wish to remain in this life. Thankfully, he died in his home, a home. By the way, the old guy really knew his shit. He build brick walls around the back yard, put in a waterfall and fish pond near the pool, landscaped, put in faux bricks around his homemade bar.
Sorry all, but this was a great, happy, old guy, who I miss.
Although, I am still a âweepy willowâ my father no longer suffers. Hence, to him, death was preferable to the life he was living for the past five years.
"Again, do you want direct quotes "
A few statistics would be fine. Humbly stated.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus
âusually emotionallyâ
Now there is a great reason to kill yourself. I am asking for some statiscal data not second hand information.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus
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âSorry all, but this was a great, happy, old guy, who I miss.â
Sounds like you are confusing two issues here. He seems, from what you have written, not want to interfere with the natural process of dying. You on the other hand wanted to prolong his life for your own reasons.
Thatâs not suicide on his part and it is an act of selfishness on yours.
Prologning death to those who are suffering and want to die is an act of cruelty.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus
preventsuicidenow.com/suicide-causes.html
kidshealth.org/teen/your_mind/me ⊠icide.html
findarticles.com/p/search?tb ⊠+Causes+of
Again, many people prefer death to the pain of living (i.e. my father pulling out his oxygen). Period. This is fact, not opinion.
No, I did not want to prolong his pain, you dolt. I wanted him to be released from his, and my motherâs suffering, but still grieve at the loss as does mom, as he was a great old guy. Do we not all grieve regarding the loss of a great person. Do you not?
To many, life is not worth the pain and death is preferable. This is a FACT, not OPINION.
The point is that he prefered death to his suffering as many do. This is the point the previous poster made. Some prefer death to suffering. This is a simple FACT, not an OPINION. Why is it so difficult for you to admit error???
Ah, do something useful with you mouth and go bite you balls, and if you have none, how about the wall.
aspacia just described his/her father pulling off his oxygen. I relayed the fact that I have personally listened to many people telling me of their desire to die due to the pain of living.
you want a few statistics. Humbly stated.
I could give you a lot of statistics, but then you would just start enquiring about methodology.
Iâm beginning to wonder if youâre not just a time waster.
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Looks like I may have touched a raw nerve here. Again, more insults. I was wrong only in engaging you in a discussion.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus
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"I could give you a lot of statistics, "
But you havenât ,have you? So you have no idea what my reaction would be, do you? Again, something else you know nothing about.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus
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This is from aspacia, did yo read the links provided, or do you know what you know and do not want to be bothered with facts. Again, many prefer death to the pain of life. This is a fact, not an opinion. Read a psychology text sometime for insight. BTW, I insulted you not Al. 
omg, this homo here is just wasting our time, i say we just ignore the rest of his postings until he shows that hes said ANYTHING that has actually added to this discussion. BTW, what does it matter if someone is young, ancient, or a talking pig. we should judge on ideas here, not age, i know more senile old people then idiot children.
as for easymoney, god really doesnt have much to do with this debate, there are to many religions to bring to much of god into the debate, though i dont mind mentioning religions to show a reason to fear death.
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I did read them and they refute your claim. âAgain, many prefer death to the pain of life.â I do not believe you read them carefully enough. Depression is the most common theme throughout all the articles. That is a phychological condition. It has little or nothing to do with pain. âMany people die by suicide because depression is triggered by several negative life experiencesâ David Caruso
When you do have facts you interpret them to support your own subjective views. You need to read more carefully. Depression trggers suicide not âpain of lifeâ. I do appreciate the facts.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus
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âi know more senile old people then idiot children.â
I doubt that very much.
Can you see my difficulties?
Homo Mysticus