Why are the people on discord more mean and hostile and immature compared to the people outside in real life ?
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Because of the two way street that is anonymity.
First because there is no consequence.
Second because you cant associate the one you are talking to as a proper human being.
Maybe as a distant third, its also because thats how the general consensus is. People adapt to the norm.
This is something not exclusive to discord though, its how the whole internet works.
As the saying goes. We are all but nicknames on a screen.
Interesting and now I am presented with a choice abandon talking to people on the internet all together to protect part of my emotions because I will be insulted less or take the risk anyway to feel different emotions that might be better such as not being bored.
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Hmm… you can make any number of choices really. You can invent new choices too.
For instance you could simply stop taking offense. Afterall, offense is taken, not given.
Or you could apply raw neutrality to all you read exactly because its just random nicknames on a screen. If you dont like it, just remove it, drop it, ban it, ignore it.
Or you could play along yourself. Afterall, there is fun to be had in meeting and subverting a challenge. If you treat insults as fun or a test of wit, it even earns you respect of others.
Or you could try to make or find a place that treats you according to your tastes…
Or really anything.
The only thing you have is options and choices. There is nothing but choices.
But yeah. Dont make the mistake of giving credence to someone who is out to hurt you and then start torturing yourself with their opinions and words.
They cant hurt you.
You however most certainly can hurt yourself.
I cannot control my emotions if I feel hurt it bothers me and I have no control over it.
That’s a bit like saying you have no control over pain when you are hit or immune reactions when you catch a cold.
If might actually mean something significant, but so far it just sounds normal.
If you go on a shooting spree, well, now there’s a problem, but it’s gone beyond emotions.
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Well. There is your problem then.
You cant circumvent or reason yourself out of an infection and an immune response.
You can do it to a certain extent with pain.
And you are very much expected to do it with your emotions.
Thats the difference.
I was being provocative. But his example started with…
He feels hurt. The emotion is a given there. Of course, it depends what he means when he says he can’t control his emotions. But if you feel hurt you feel hurt. And it would be odd if you didn’t feel hurt (generally sad and angry perhaps with some disappointment), when you feel hurt.
If he means it leads to weeks of revenge fantasies and teeth gnashing, well then one can use reason. Though given my radical support for emotions, I see loops like that (and even much shorter ones) as staying with the emotions one is comfortable with and avoiding the ones one is not comfortable with, so it loops. In other words, the problem isn’t that one is letting emotions out too much, but in fact that one is avoiding emotions.
I’d need to know more of what he meant to know how much I’d hold my reaction. But I do actually think that while we, yes, have tools that can circumvent and reason ourselves out of emotions, I have no interest in doing either anymore. I think it’s unhealthy for me. And after shifting this over a few decades, I would say I am much less likely to do things people think would happen if one stops circumventing and reasoning my way out of emotions.
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Well. You know yourself. I cant be the judge of that.
The only thing i know is that we have an abundance of people nowdays who are convinced that feeling things passes as thinking.
There used to be a middle ground.
It was perfectly fine to feel things. The rule was simply that you should control your emotions and not the other way around. And it was a very basic expectations and a requirement to pass as a functional human being.
If we want to talk unhealthy, then one needs only to take a look at society where ppl with hardly a single brain cell to their name can be manipulated into any atrocity because they feel instead of thinking.
If you never act on the emotion that’s a choice but feeling the emotion is a reaction to something that part you cannot control.
It is impossible to live solely off of logical thinking without any emotional influence.
Its not possible to not feel emotions, but its possible to not be controlled by them and become a dysfunctional animal, which through the system of equal voting rights and representation, becomes an existential threat to their entire nation.
We all feel emotions.
That does not mean that not being able to prioritize thought and reason over them, should be acceptable or tolerated.
There are ways to dull the way you react to things and there are belief systems with practices to train one to do this. Personally, I dislike those belief systems and practices. We’re social animals, not plankton or lizards. Emotions have been hated (in various guises: rationality, care, disidentification and more) for a long time. I love my emotions.
I don’t experience the need to prioritize, they work together as an integrated whole.
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Emotion led people always think that, and it’s never true.
All emotions need to take over is an excuse, not a reason.
What are emotions, anyway?
They are eyes. They are information. You are supposed to listen, not obey.
You are also not supposed to ignore them.
Nice start with a little ‘mindreading’ implicit ad hom. Hey, do what you want to do. You wanna remain split against yourself, that’s none of my business.
Sounds like you can only conceive: this guy wants a different autocrat than I do.
Reason, the mothersight, cannot be an autocrat, because the seeing it has to do is too fast to allow time for giving orders.
That’s right.
Reason isn’t fast at all compared to other processes. It’s on the very slow end. Not that this makes it bad at all. But it is slow. It requires conscious mental effort, planning, and evaluation to break down complex information, lots of rapid intuitive checks (those are rapid, but they are also many), and weigh logical outcomes. You have the frontal lobes involved which actually take more time and energy to come to conclusions. Again, this is not criticism of it.
I have no reason bad, emotions good schema. We’re told over and over that someone needs to be boss and free flowing emotions leads to all sorts of nightmares. And yes, if people suddenly let everything out they’ve been holding down for so long, there would be a problem.
Well, I assume that what you assert without qualification you think is right. So, you don’t have to add this for my sake.