Wuhan China ended their Lockdown 7 months ago

[Gloominary]

I think Marxists may be immune from covid.

[Urwrongx1000]

@Gloominary

I think Marxists may be immune from covid.

Yep! Covid only when people disagree with them.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YLFDwfEHZw[/youtube]

[obsrvr524]

@Gloominary

I think Marxists may be immune from covid.

Haven’t you heard? COVID is communist. Why would they harm their own?

And all of those mask wearing ANTIFA fascist rioters probably washed their hands before and after blows. So they were safe - they have small feet. And since they each have two feet, they really only need 3 feet distance - 3 to and 3 from = 6 feet between them.

It’s all in the science.

[Sculptor]

@obsrvr524

@Sculptor

I think there is something basicay wrong with your cognition.
A “SCAM” - do you deny that 3000 AMericans are dying each day?

By COVID? I do.

It’s not a fucking SCAM then is it!!

@Sculptor

@Sculptor

If the most simple basic steps were followed, the virus would die out.

1. Wash hands
2. Wear a mask
3. Social distance.
   If evey one did that for just two weeks the virus would die out.
   That’s how they did it in China. All they have to do is keep out dirty Americans and Europeans.

Completely naive balderdash.

Tell us how the US Navy ship out at sea for months ended up with a pandemic outbreak. No one had come to the ships by any means for a long time.

FAKE NEWS

You think them wearing masks and staying 6 feet away would have prevented them from getting infected? They were miles away from the entire world. Maybe they didn’t wash their hands?

Compare China and New Zealand.
They have effective test, track and trace, which, together with the precautions above has virtaully ended the virus in those countries.

[obsrvr524]

So this is “fake news”? -

@Wikipedia

USS Kidd
On 24 April 2020, the United States Navy reported that a sailor assigned to American destroyer USS Kidd had tested positive for the virus after being medically evacuated the previous day from operations at sea.[92] After the sailor’s test returned positive, the Navy sent a medical team to the ship to conduct contact tracing and test sailors for the virus on board.[92] By the morning of 24 April 2020, 17 additional sailors had tested positive, with additional cases expected as testing continued.[92]

The initial patient was stable and recovering at a medical facility in San Antonio, Texas.[92] In total, two sailors have been medically evacuated.[14] Sailors are wearing PPE and N95 masks.[14] USS Makin Island, an amphibious assault ship with a Fleet Surgical Team, an intensive care unit, and ventilators, headed to the ship in case additional medical capacity was required.[93] USS Kidd began to return to port in San Diego for disinfection.[92][94]

At the time the first sailor was medically evacuated from the ship, USS Kidd had been part of an operation to prevent drug trafficking near South America.[94] It had been at sea since January.[94] A second sailor was later medically evacuated to the states as well.[43]

On 25 April 2020, the Navy reported that 33 positive cases had been found.[14] By 27 April 2020, 45% of the crew members had been tested, with 47 total positive cases reported, and 15 sailors transferred to USS Makin Island for additional monitoring.[14] By 28 April 2020, 64 had tested positive, and USS Kidd had docked in San Diego that afternoon to be disinfected, a process that might take up to two weeks.[14][94] It is expected that eventually, all sailors on board will be tested for the virus.[94]

This was the second instance of coronavirus being found aboard an American naval ship that had been deployed.

USNS Mercy
The COVID-19 pandemic spread to the US navy hospital ship USNS Mercy when its first case was reported on 8 April 2020.[27] It is unclear how the crew member became infected, as the crew member had not interacted with any patients, all crew members had been screened before boarding the ship in San Diego and had not been allowed to leave the ship since, and the ship was only treating patients for ailments other than COVID-19, requiring a negative SARS-CoV-2 test result before any patient was allowed to board the ship.[27][89][90]

As of 14 April 2020, 7 medical staff members had tested positive, and the Navy had removed 116 medical staff members from the ship in response.

Now show us how that is fake news since you seem to be the most gullible on this board.

Many ships at sea had to return to port without plausible explanation of how that got infected.

[MagsJ (..a chic geek)]

@Gloominary

1. the course of the disease would run its course earlier there, that’s where it started.

It couldn’t have ran its course there, unless China is hiding its number of infected, because hardly anyone has been infected.

They couldn’t have achieved herd immunity.

Their stats definitely aren’t adding up…

China’s cases and deaths doubled over night, before they went on that full lock-down… a deep-state cover-up, to make the West look incompetent?

Some here hadn’t left their homes or had any physical contact with others, waaay before Covid happened, and they contracted Covid. China’s rampant cases, should equate to erupting pockets of new cases scattered around… as you’ve said.

[Sculptor]

@Urwrongx1000

Your argument is that “China locked down better than USA”?

That’s not a good argument.

It’s not only a great argument; it is the correct one.
China did not have a moronic president that took the piss out of people who wore masks.
The US did practically nothing with est track and trace.
China did not have a bunch of pathetic moaners who refsed to wear a mask.Sweemeing “Its against my fweedom. boo hoo.”
China supplied good PPE to medical staff.

Wuhan, the source of the outbreak, has been out of lockdown for several months according to the article. Explain it.

[Sculptor]

@Gloominary

1. the course of the disease would run its course earlier there, that’s where it started.

It couldn’t have ran its course there, unless China is hiding its number of infected, because hardly anyone has been infected.

They couldn’t have achieved herd immunity.

Yes indeed.
The virus has not run its course in China.
They have irradicated the virus with Test, Track and Trace. Hands, Face, and Space. And keeping stupid American mask-moaners out if their country.

[d0rkyd00d]

@obsrvr524

Lock 330 million people into their homes and block anyone else from coming into the nation for 3 months while waiting for all of those already infected to die.

Sounds like a plan - - from a communist dictator. Or Gov Cuomo except he would first send all of the infected elderly into their elderly care homes.

It was a plan from a communist dictator, which incidentally led to better outcomes. Not saying I agree with the actions taken, but I am not so dogmatic as to be blind to the idea that in this situation, taking freedom by force likely saved lives. Fucked up but true.

[Gloominary]

From what I gather, NZ hasn’t been locked down since October.
But China lifted its lockdown in April, whereas NZ was in and out of lockdown from spring to autumn.
That Jacinda is one crazy, lockdown happy bitch, she’d lock them down over just a handful of cases.
Mark my words, she’ll lock NZ down again sometime this winter.

[d0rkyd00d]

@Gloominary

I don’t know anyone who’s been infected let alone died from this thing, whatever that even means, given their criteria for determining cause of death is absurd.

And you do realize anecdotal evidence is about as flawed as it gets.

[d0rkyd00d]

@Gloominary

2. as the other guy has pointed out, China did stuff that an openly totalitarian state can do. They actually padlocked buildings. They locked down apartment buildings. Their lockdown made the lockdowns in other countries look like libertarian optional guidelines. We don’t know if that made the difference, but their approach was vastly more total quarantine than anything in the West.

Let’s say it came from a bat or some other animal in China.
If a single bat can lead to the infection of tens of thousands of Chinese within a few months, then as long as Covid survives in a few individuals, they should be able to infect tens of thousands of individuals within months.

Furthermore, as enviably totalitarian as China is, there’re a lot of backward, rural and totally ignorant parts, seems these parts would’ve kept the germ thriving, ready to infect the rest of the population in the more subjugated, urban centers.

These mental calculations are pure speculation and have no basis in reality, until proven.

[obsrvr524]

@d0rkyd00d

@obsrvr524

Lock 330 million people into their homes and block anyone else from coming into the nation for 3 months while waiting for all of those already infected to die.

Sounds like a plan - - from a communist dictator. Or Gov Cuomo except he would first send all of the infected elderly into their elderly care homes.

It was a plan from a communist dictator, which incidentally led to better outcomes. Not saying I agree with the actions taken, but I am not so dogmatic as to be blind to the idea that in this situation, taking freedom by force likely saved lives. Fucked up but true.

They could have been even more effective by merely shooting anyone with a fever on the spot.

Why not? It would have saved lives and a lot of money.

[Gloominary]

@Gloominary

From what I gather, NZ hasn’t been locked down since October.
But China lifted its lockdown in April, whereas NZ was in and out of lockdown from spring to autumn.
That Jacinda is one crazy, lockdown happy bitch, she’d lock them down over just a handful of cases.
Mark my words, she’ll lock NZ down again sometime this winter.

Oh wait, it’s summer in NZ, never mind, no wonder they’re not in lockdown, wait till their autumn or winter.

[Gloominary]

@d0rkyd00d

@Gloominary

I don’t know anyone who’s been infected let alone died from this thing, whatever that even means, given their criteria for determining cause of death is absurd.

And you do realize anecdotal evidence is about as flawed as it gets.

I disagree, anecdotal evidence is the most reliable in some ways, because I can trust my friends and family more than I can trust ultra-high-net-worth technocrats, talking heads and politicians.

[Gloominary]

@d0rkyd00d

@Gloominary

2. as the other guy has pointed out, China did stuff that an openly totalitarian state can do. They actually padlocked buildings. They locked down apartment buildings. Their lockdown made the lockdowns in other countries look like libertarian optional guidelines. We don’t know if that made the difference, but their approach was vastly more total quarantine than anything in the West.

Let’s say it came from a bat or some other animal in China.
If a single bat can lead to the infection of tens of thousands of Chinese within a few months, then as long as Covid survives in a few individuals, they should be able to infect tens of thousands of individuals within months.

Furthermore, as enviably totalitarian as China is, there’re a lot of backward, rural and totally ignorant parts, seems these parts would’ve kept the germ thriving, ready to infect the rest of the population in the more subjugated, urban centers.

These mental calculations are pure speculation and have no basis in reality, until proven.

I interpret the data myself, I don’t wait for technocrats to do it for me.
If I see holes in their interpretations, I point them out, I don’t overlook them.
I don’t trust these people, and neither should anyone.
If the masses refuse to think for themselves and critically examine everything the tech Gods say, these people will exploit us.
You don’t get to just take my freedom and wealth from me, you have to constantly prove such actions are absolutely necessary, which they have failed to do.

[Gloominary]

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[Gloominary]

Some of you people don’t know what democracy is, really you may hate democracy.
Democracy is the people sometimes listening to experts, but ultimately deciding for themselves what’s true and false, right and wrong.
If the masses are to blindly follow the technocrats, if technocrats demand humungous transfers of wealth and power without any question, criticism or challenge, then we are moving from democracy into authoritarian technocracy.
By your logic, we should just get rid of democracy and let the politicians, social engineers, economists and medical experts run our lives for us, after all, what do Joe and Jane average know about anything?
Nothing
That’s the very antithesis of democracy.

[Urwrongx1000]

@Sculptor

It’s not only a great argument; it is the correct one.
China did not have a moronic president that took the piss out of people who wore masks.
The US did practically nothing with est track and trace.
China did not have a bunch of pathetic moaners who refsed to wear a mask.Sweemeing “Its against my fweedom. boo hoo.”
China supplied good PPE to medical staff.

Can you do me a favor?

Can you SHILL HARDER for China and your Communist buddies?

Please?

I want to see you bend over backward for your ideology. What’s your salary for subverting USA? Looks too cheap to waste my time with.

[d0rkyd00d]

@Gloominary

@d0rkyd00d

@Gloominary

I don’t know anyone who’s been infected let alone died from this thing, whatever that even means, given their criteria for determining cause of death is absurd.

And you do realize anecdotal evidence is about as flawed as it gets.

I disagree, anecdotal evidence is the most reliable in some ways, because I can trust my friends and family more than I can trust ultra-high-net-worth technocrats, talking heads and politicians.

Yes, in some VERRRRRY limited ways, but not when it comes to statistical analysis spanning large numbers.