This is how they reject free-will…they conceptualize what the ideal freedom ought to be like, inspired by Biblical salvation myths, and then declare the will as failing to meet their criteria.
I bet you’ve imagined life as something no living organism can ever be…so life is an illusion, right?
This is the method the other crazies use to deny their own will’s freedom.
I once sarcastically joked that we can negate any concept, including life, by defining it in a manner that would make mortal beings illusory.
They are not alive because they do not meet the criteria nihilists, like you, demand as defining life.
If a biological machine is not alive, then it is dead. And dead machines make no claims.
If in fact they are claiming something, some machines (whether or not they were ever alive biologically) would show that they are both alive (biologically or otherwise) and existent (…if non-conscious, or merely physical, existence exists… which it can’t by itself—so DO please scrap that definition of existent) by claiming anything at all, even if that claim is that they don’t exist (in that case they would be lying—perhaps to save life, which is a greater absolute than honesty, if the one they are talking to is —or could potentially become— the one who would end life whose existence/aliveness/consciousness they do not recognize, or at least do not acknowledge).
Are machines based on man’s understanding of his body, or are bodies machines?
If we don’t give definitions we cannot come to conclusions.
I define life as a self-perpetuating willful unity of patterned energies.
Will is what differentiate life form non-life.
Will = focus of organic energies upon an objective - intentional.
What compels life? Need/Desire.
I can define both, as well.
Machines have no will. They do not need nor desire. they follow a program written by willful men, using their understanding of themselves as their grounding.
Humans are meat machines who are programmed just like every other programmed machine, so who wrote their programming? And why don’t they always follow it?
Apparently natural selection can accidentally write in DNA programming that is more complicated and has more information than anything we have ever done or could ever do on purpose. And it has error correction in it, which means if you mess with it, you better do it right, or it’s worse than any programming error a coder could make. The stakes rise to pandemic proportions.
Global loss of function.
It’s almost like it’s a bomb that’s encrypted to catastrophically implode when the species signals it has reached the point of no return.
Apparently natural selection can accidentally write in DNA programming that is more complicated and has more information than anything we have ever done or could ever do on purpose.
See…you have no clue.
Your mind even lacks a basic common sense… …
If life didn’t exist, how would you claim that god created it, because you cannot comprehend how it came to be?
How many times has the comic cycle not produced life?
You also cannot comprehend the role of chaos…properly defined.
Your thinking is top<>down…which is typical for your kind.
You already have an answer…a final, certain, complete, total answer…and all you do here is try to justify it.
Which make any discussion with you a test of a man’s patience.
Actually, I have asked a lot of questions while I’ve been here. I still have a lot of questions. I’ve learned a lot. So, whatever.
My first inclination (which I didn’t go with) is that natural selection is stuff like populations dying off from disasters or just a change in environmental conditions. But that is loss, not gain, of function …and I did eventually get around to at least saying that phrase.
Your reply was the poorest counter-argument, or lack of one, I’ve ever heard in my life. Well, not as bad as “Who made God?“
You’ve only learned what you can integrate into your singular solution.
you already know the absolute truth…all you need is the questions.
Natural selection is “accidental”…I guess that’s what 'selection" means to you.
chance.
All needs a creator, EXCEPT the creator, for no apparent reason, other than it says so in a book.
and you want me to take you seriously?
Where is this nothingness that somethingness comes from, other than in your mind, or in a book, written in words?
Where is this beginning…and end?
Show me, don’t tell me.
If life didn’t exist… I wouldn’t be alive to claim anything… so… anywhayz…
Exactly…and there’s your answer.
You’re like those hypocrites that claim that a choice was inevitable…after they made it.
I’m accusing you of not being able to comprehend why a life form would consider it miraculous that it exists…after it has come to exist.
In the multiverse model…the universe is a cycle…most never develop life…some do.
You are one of the lucky ones…and now you think this is evidence that you were planned…your existence was intentional.
How arrogant.
You cannot think in cosmic time…there’s not even a name for the number of years we are talking about.
Googoplex +
Infinity…
As a Yuga Cycle progresses through the four yugas, each yuga’s length and humanity’s general moral and physical state within each yuga decrease by one-fourth. Kali Yuga, which lasts for 432,000 years, is believed to have started in 3102 BCE.[5][6] Near the end of Kali Yuga, when virtues are at their worst, a cataclysm and a re-establishment of dharma occur to usher in the next cycle’s Krita (Satya) Yuga, prophesied to occur by Kalki.[7]
There are 7 Yuga Cycles in a manvantara (age of Manu) and 1,000 Yuga Cycles in a kalpa (day of Brahma).]
So first you’re gonna scold me for sarcastically calling it an accident, then you’re gonna have the nerve to call it “lucky“ and scold me for saying it’s a miracle?
*googleplex
If you want me to talk to you about the craziness of all the odds involved (and why multiverse or cyclic model or whatever you wanna throw at it ain’t gonna solve the problem), you’re better off just talking to a chatbot, or pick up basically any book on Christian apologetics.