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Reality can change. It is whatever we perceive it to be.

I guess we better get started educating then, rather than discussing petty concepts of “divine law” then huh.

I have a cycle for that as well.

Positive idea/thought > Creates positive influence > Creates positive action > Creates positive reality

^ apply this to “not having a reality of knowledgeable people” Action and influence can also be swapped, actions can influence, as influence can cause action.

They are here now.

Taken away and replaced by what? And why replace them?

Well, the point was that “something must be done about the criminal element”. You have a choice of coercion or conversion. So far, you seem to be favoring coercion.

“Divine law” is also coercion, persuasion under fear of going to “hell”.

I have to say though, great try.

not in this new place…it is not a place for these things…we can choose

So now you favor mind control - a cult of “proper thinking” - or else.

Fear of hell is a threat of which classifies it as coercion. Nice try. They only convert because of coercion.

I would hardly classify viable knowledge being taught to everyone as mind control. More so, teaching them HOW to think, not what to think.

No. Only people like yourself respond only to the threat aspect. The hope for Heaven inspires a great many.

You mean the false hope. This also limits their options/experiences of life. Of which we’re here to experience in the first place.

If it is a “false hope”, then it is also a “false threat”, so make up your mind.

Because they control/govern to much of what true life is about. You act as if the unknown or new has been discovered already. It’s the unknown that most fear to tread, for a reason.

I don’t support a deity, “divine law” a “heaven” or a "Hell. Enough discussion of it. I don’t see what your point is. You’re acting like I support it, when I don’t. It’s all false hope and fear. It is a false threat, of which persuades people into fearing it.

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then this:

If reality changes then doesn’t wisdom change as well? So the wise evaluation of short-term thinking as being detrimental can change to the wise evaluation of short-term thinking as being beneficial.

What kind of educating? Promoting what as being beneficial?

Too general. This can be said of practically anything… Religion, secular humanism, science, communism, democracy, Nazi racial policy, …

What is a positive reality?

And you know what life is about, do you?
You couldn’t know that they are not already using what life is about unless you knew what it was really about instead.

So what is the “real” that you DO support?

A reality of where viable knowledge is taught rather than the illusion of it, a reality of where “good” morals are in play rather than, greed, hate, selfish-importance, etc.

A green reality of which cause no negative ripple effects/affect towards the reality/world. A reality where we recognize we are not the center of anything, and nothing revolves around humanity except that of which we create.

Educate what? How to critically think for oneself, rather than what to think.

I know what life is. What is ‘true life’?

exactly. money is a fact of life in modern society. it isn’t a fact of life qua life, and its place in life is superficial.

And who decides what is “viable”?

Life is experiencing, facing the discomfort instead of staying trapped in comfort. Health, compassion, created happiness, and knowledge.

Truth, derived out of facts.