“I must keep in good health, and not die” is a quote from Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë.
Do we expect the dying to exhibit their willingness to die?
A person who agrees to a do-not-resuscitate order, or another who enrols in hospice, are these decisions that people make to reflect their readiness to die?
While all these words mean "something that is believed to be true, is it actually false “being ready to die”?
I have experienced tremendous loss before, having lost both my parents. Even if they told me they were ready, nothing could have lessened the blunt force of losing them.
Death is never neat.
Is “death the ultimate relief from all the hardships of existence”
I prefer this explanation…
“My father died in my arms. So did my wife,” he said. “It’s just my turn now.”
Unless you are Jim Morrison and look forward to death as a close friend and new interesting journey. In which case, yeah that’s cool. And probably also true.
If death is a natural process and part of living why do we fear it?
Should not acceptance of such be an inbuilt part of our existence?
Yet most are afraid of dying and some refuse to acknowledge it will happen and it is pushed aside and comforted with the thought “I have years left to live.”
I think death is like a trust fall. So every trust fall is a kind of death. Your whole life you’ve been able to control your movements with your body. It seems natural that you should always be able to do this. Maybe death isn’t natural, but what’s natural? Maybe supernatural is the way nature is supposed to be, but isn’t … maybe trust falling is true living. An extreme sport of sorts. If death is just a door, then some rightfully look forward to walking through it… others not so much. Did they choose true life (trust falling) their whole life, and so on the other side of the door is just more life? if not, I imagine the unknown is scary to them because they never even practiced trust falling during the life they knew. Or maybe every time they practiced, they fell and no one caught them? (Until/unless Someone eventually did…in which case…ready for the door to more life.)
Trust falls are never neat… they’re always new and unknown. You think you’ve got something handled … and then whammo here’s the next one.
It’s not trust falling or dying for no reason, though. How dumb would that be. What’s worth living/dying for? That’s the question. Without the Answer, both are equally & infinitely harder.
The Scriptures teach of “life everlasting” as a reward, if that is so then based on what the majority would answer if asked “do you want to live forever” I think the majority would answer in the affirmative, so the Book is a cunning narrative of how we think, is it not?
Yet, to what purpose does it serve?
I ask myself why would someone want to live forever…
I am not embracing the moment of my death, but then again I do not want to live forever.
Is not “life ever after” an absolute impossibility?
This could be defined as influential control.
It’s possible in this very, and every moment. Every moment you embrace self=other (that every person is an End in itself patterned after original personhood), you are embracing genuine life, and dying to all imitation.
[Ichthus77]
“You have not shown that to be the case”.
It is not up to me to show anything as I am making reference to a book… as you are.
If you are so certain of these “promises” enlighten me as to how and why you choose to accept these when in actuality everyone dies and is no more. The only “proof” you can give is written in a book.
No different to believing every word that for example Jung espouses.
To say something is impossible is to say it contradicts reality. You have not shown that to be the case. You have put your trust in a mirage of your own making.
Having been someone who cared for people during their terminal illnesses, and seeing most of them die, I can tell you that there is a rough process of accepting death, which also includes a period of denial. It is to be expected considering the gravity of the situation.
We have a natural impulse to want to live, it is the inherent urge of all life, and expansion is a part of that. When we face death, it is the opposite and hits us like an immovable object at first. There is no wailing or pleading that removes the end of physical life, only the hope of continuation after leaving our body, in whatever way we may imagine that to happen.
There are people who welcome the darkness and hope for an end of their suffering, depending on what they have experienced, which is also a fact of life.
I have shown repeatedly on this board that self=other is BOTH fundamental AND a choice. It is a fundamental choice that, if not chosen, is a break/divergence from reality. You describe it as impossible without showing why. Honey, without this fundamental choice, there IS no possibility. Check yourself… on pain of rationality.
…post, not her actual argument.
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I absolutely agree with self=other ‘do unto others as you would have them do unto you’, as the previous connotation would be ripe for taking advantage of the one that harbours self=other values.
Self=other, isn’t that how groomers work on their victims?
if everybody plays by self=other rules, there are some who can “win” by cheating
in actuality that is losing
it is rigging the game
if you can’t win without rigging or cheating, you are a loser
if you make victims by how you cheat/rig, you are a loser
you really wanna flip the script and really win, go above and beyond (requires acknowledging self=other so that you DO see that you are an End and are not undervaluing yourself…) …and cheat in the opposite direction… and tell no one
