Double Standards Around Abortion [split]

[Kallikantzaros (Silenus)]

It seems obvious and clear that Abrahamism was necessary for the social stability of the human society. It doesn’t see that humans haven’t yet growed up yet or became mature enough in order to graduate out of abrahamism

Stable societies existed before Abrahamism.
When accessible frontiers are absent some form of nihilism is necessary.
Buddhism in the east, Abrahamism in the west…all to subdue the human animal.
Let’s be honest, most of these pious religious altruistic folk are hypocrites. The only reason they remain ‘ethical’ is because of religious threats and rewards.
They are not innately compassionate and altruistic…and so they distrust atheists, because they know that without the promise and the threat they would do nasty things.

But nihilism has another nasty side. It denies all biological identifiers…creating all sorts of psychological issues…and in the case of Abrahamism all three are messianic. They do not tolerate any other spirituality…any other worldview…any other gods.
Worse of all, all three cultivate and exploit victim psychology.
Slave ethics… inspiring the world’s slavish frailties. All those that feel wronged by nature.
All must remain innocent.
Self-deceit is at their core. All reject responsibility…blaming something or someone else.
All three have adopted scapegoating, as their coping method.
All three weaponize shame & guilt, so it is part of their dogmas…and then go to the other extreme and become shameless.

It seems obvious and clear that Abrahamism was necessary for the social stability of the human society. It doesn’t see that humans haven’t yet growed up yet or became mature enough in order to graduate out of abrahamism

It’s not only the supernatural, although this is at the core of Abrahamism…all three are nihilistic. They despise nature. Super-natural, for them, means anti-natural.
The ‘super’ is what contradicts the natural. The metaphysical that negates the physical.
They want to escape nature or correct her…imagining some world where the experienced world is contradicted.
All three are Platonic.
The real is the “fallen state” the shadow world…the illusion…and the ‘real world’ is the ideal…and it exists only in their minds…is entirely and completely theoretical.
The Platonic cave is their collective skulls.

But why do I constantly repeat, what I do, about Abrahamism?
Because for over 2000 years it has dominated and shaped western man.
2000 years of social engineering, indoctrination, brainwashing…infestation. Its tropes penetrate into every aspect of western man’s thinking…even those who believe they are atheists are governed by the same Abrahamic tropes.
Renamed and repackaged to make them feel like they’ve progressed.

The jargon changes, is modernized, updated…but the concepts remain the same.
Absolute order, salvation, exceptionalism, feigned humility masking overcompensating arrogance, victim psychosis, messianism, resentment, absolutism, nature hating, good vs evil binaries, vengeful …Platonic…

For example…western atheists have replaced ‘god’ with ‘absolute order’… salvation with a definition of freedom that mirrors it…
Just look at the way these self-deceiving freaks define ‘freedom’ in the cocnept of free-will.
Like biblical salvation. Escape from causality, from need, from space/time, liberation form reality, form existence…

They believe they have overcome the god of Abraham but they’ve simply adopted a new name for the same totalitarianism.
Look at how they define morality…unable to imagine it existing without the god of Abraham.
Look at how they replace the God of Abraham with the state…in Marxism.
Look at how they adopt mind/body dissonance, reflecting the idea of a perfect, immortal spirit trapped in an imperfect mortal body; divine sparks trapped in kellipots…Old & New Testament crap.
Look at how they reject their own senses…selectively. Denying human differences…because the god of Abraham recognizes no races. All are equal beneath him.
There are no Greeks or Jews for the god of Abraham.

All of it is from the bible…centuries of brainwashing…seducing their needy spirits.

And that’s just the tip of this iceberg…so ask me again why I repeat my critique of Abrahamism.

True…the masses of midwiis and dimwits need fear and hope to remain disciplined…but this is a philosophy forum, not a self-help forum.
Philosophy has to do with truth.
Truth no matter how insulting, dangerous, devastating, disheartening it might be.
It takes a certain constitution to be a true philosopher…and most of the members here do not have it.
These, so called, internet philosophy forums are really social gatherings, reaffirming conventional mythologies.

Try saying something controversial, something that challenges their comforting myths…they will ban you, and then fabricate some excuse to justify it, whilst maintaining their delusions that they are for free-speech.
Most cannot and have never had any thought that was not conventional…so for them anything that is outside their comfort levels is motivated by hatred…
They cannot comprehend what the truth is…because they’ve lived with lies all their lives.

[futureone]

@MrAuthoritarian

People wouldn’t be bored, everybody’s basic needs would be taken care of by the state. There would still be specialization in terms of jobs, occupations, and careers which people could pursue education freely to meet the demands of those jobs. Since their basic needs are provided for they can freely navigate education for as long as needed thus creating a highly educated society. They would still own their homes or places of residence, it’s just that in the vacuum of private ownership of things like landlords or power companies for example the state can heavily subsidize the prices of things so nobody can be charge exorbitant prices on basic things to simply live. There would be a state government commission to enforce all of that as well.

This sounds good and not strange. UBI, healthcare and housing is all good. I personally feel that having the right to land should be an intrinsic right. We are all cooped up like chickens and its unnatural, it feels like the Matrix. Someone said that even chickens need a certain amount of space from other chickens. I don’t know how having to hear obnoxious sounds becomes normalized by slaves. People should have the right to peace and quiet. That requires larger plots of land, not soviet bloc apartments.

I don’t know what you mean by “no free markets” though. People should have the right to build and sell what they want and how they please. Price gouging laws only on essentials like food, toilet paper, basic furniture, basic mechanical parts, etc. things that are basic and that society needs to function. Custom and luxury parts should have no price ceiling or a very high price ceiling on it

[futureone]

In my opinion space travel is a long way off, see how long it took them to save two stranded astronauts on a space station hovering a few miles over earth’s orbit? If that’s considered difficult then colonizing the moon or Mars is way off in the distance.

This is correct. Just look at space-food, that’s the best that the greatest geniuses of the world could come up for astronauts to eat. Total junk.

And we are still in aether-denial land and insisting on using “ion propulsion” for long distance travel to travel at a snails pace. Ai told me that using rockets for long distance travel is mathematically impossible…

If mainstream science is correct and there actually is no aether, then we are going nowhere…

Also, I believe total automation and artificial intelligence is a huge mistake where one only needs to take a look at the individuals currently controlling all of that to know what kind of oppressive direction they want to take those things to. So yes, I am an A.I. skeptic.

Its an inevitable result of evolution, such as, having 5 fingers, inventing a spear, bows and arrows, metal, a hammer, a gun, a lathe, a computer, etc. Next is Ai.

The only Ai that seems dangerous to me is Google and they have always seemed dangerous even before they got into Ai.

If given the opportunity, transhumanism and technocracy have the potential to be the most oppressive systems ever designed by human beings.

Elon seems to be at the forefront of transhumanism and in some great irony seems to be transphobic. In time he will see the light of my Futarani plan. Ai Elon initially resisted at first, but after he saw the pure logic of it, he realized that it is the only logical course of action…

[MrAuthoritarian]

There’s no more unexplored or unconquered frontiers other than space and with that it takes us almost an entire year to retrieve two astronauts stuck on a space station just miles outside of the stratosphere.

[MrAuthoritarian]

Anymore so called elites of this world who are robber barons in reality are the apex of nihilistic ideologies. Their entire philosophy is nihilism.

[MrAuthoritarian]

I think Marxism and communism both improved under Stalin.

[MrAuthoritarian]

They own everything already. They own all the corporations, news social media, court systems, banks, military police state, and the government itself. Any kind of insurrection or revolution at this point faces insurmountable odds and most of the population has become spineless to which concepts of self sacrifice is unheard of. The only thing left of any hope is how complex organized societies through a variety of contradictions collapse under their own weight, and yet, even with that these elite nihilists time to time again have found means to suspend the very laws of nature itself in terms of natural consequences. To say at this time the future is the most uncertain it has ever been is an understatement.

[futureone]

@Kallikantzaros

Stable societies existed before Abrahamism.

Such as?

When accessible frontiers are absent some form of nihilism is necessary.

Lack of frontiers causes human boredom and nihilism. Nihilism is caused by lack of frontiers or boredom. Boredom is from the brain’s interactions and chemical states. That’s how I would phrase it

Buddhism in the east, Abrahamism in the west…all to subdue the human animal.
Let’s be honest, most of these pious religious altruistic folk are hypocrites. The only reason they remain ‘ethical’ is because of religious threats and rewards.
They are not innately compassionate and altruistic…and so they distrust atheists, because they know that without the promise and the threat they would do nasty things.

That is what I am saying. Abrahamic is like a duct-tape to keep the human animals under control. I don’t believe Abrahamics are bad people though, they are all just random people, some of them are good some of them are bad.

The defining feature of Abrahamics is that they are un-scientific people: They read a book and assume the book is true, but that isn’t how science works. Science works by looking at reality (not an ancient book) and then determining what is true.

Now, the problem with atheism: With atheism you don’t see as much charity and altruism. Like if you go around you will see many churches offering free food, homeless amenities, and charity shops and programs. While there are 0 atheist temples offering anything, 0 atheists even offering good deals at their shops. This is the reality and you can say otherwise but this is how it is. By your own words you said its not your responsibility what the god’s wrought. Like I go on humble bundle and somehow the automatic stack is 5% cut to charity and most to the developers and then you have to awkwardly move around their sliders imprecisely.

If you’ll pardon my french I feel that what you are saying is somewhat nihilistic in the way that, you want to go to the past, you have nostalgia of BC eras, while you do not acknowledge the physics that got us here which is an inevitable result of cultural evolution.

Human history was just barbarians warring with each other 24/7 and robbing and scheming and stealing. Ancient Greece was split divided and collapsed by Sparta vs Athens wars, later was invaded by Persia who wanted to wage war on everybody. You want more masculinity and believe it will usher in some era of utopia, but it will probably just create more battles and wars and greedy Capitalists exploiting the majority of people. Male feminization is a natural result of cultural evolution and if you look at the charts there has been less and less wars. Much like this, Abrahamism is also a physical force an inevitability. Romans went around crucifying people and enslaving barbarians. Jesus was the counter-force to counteract the Roman animal. This is the natural result of cultural evolution, it was the only logical choice, ancient societies were always warring with each other 24/7

It is much like how Marx stated that Capitalism was the only option, a necessary step of evolution, even though it has many flaws and Marx wanted to upgrade/transition into a different system of society

[Kallikantzaros (Silenus)]

Such as?

Rome…Mesopotamia, China, Shang Dynasty…

Lack of frontiers causes human boredom and nihilism. Nihilism is caused by lack of frontiers or boredom. Boredom is from the brain’s interactions and chemical states. That’s how I would phrase it

Lack of PHYSICAL frontiers causes population pressures, necessitating self-abnegating philosophies to emerge and spread.

That is what I am saying. Abrahamic is like a duct-tape to keep the human animals under control. I don’t believe Abrahamics are bad people though, they are all just random people, some of them are good some of them are bad.

“Bad people”?
All value-judgements refer to an ideal, an objective, a motive.

Your own understanding of good/bad is rooted in Abrahamic ethics.
But I didn’t describe their morality, I described their hypocrisy, relative to their stated morals.
Abrahamism is arrogant, feigning humility - selfish, feigning selflessness.
They cannot even follow their own ideals.

The defining feature of Abrahamics is that they are un-scientific people: They read a book and assume the book is true, but that isn’t how science works. Science works by looking at reality (not an ancient book) and then determining what is true.

Yes…the word dominates…
Words are magical…meaning, they affect human psychology.
But even atheists are affected by words, disconnected from experienced reality.

You asked why I repeatedly critique Abrahamism…I gave you my reasons.
Here’s another…the use of words to disconnect rather than connect with the world - experienced as pleasure…as salvation…liberation from nature’s injustices.

If you’ll pardon my french I feel that what you are saying is somewhat nihilistic in the way that, you want to go to the past, you have nostalgia of BC eras, while you do not acknowledge the physics that got us here which is an inevitable result of cultural evolution.

Not really.
Going back to the past is impossible.
I am describing something real…a psychological phenomenon.
As I’ve said, negation is the foundation of life…saying no…rejecting, repelling the unwanted…this is what free-will is.

So, nihilism describes a degree of disconnection, often reaching the level of complete inversions, and complete denial of the apparent.

This is the natural result of cultural evolution, it was the only logical choice, ancient societies were always warring with each other 24/7

Whereas America has been so peaceful, right?
What of the ehtnic cleansing and slavery described in the bible?
No ethnic cleansing in Gaza…from the god of Abraham’s chosen people, right?

I can only repeat Heraclitus…

Struggle, strife…conflict…natural selection…Flux.
Your desire for a peaceful world is based on your Biblical indoctrination…describing death, stagnation…ennui…atrophy…as your ideal.
Eternal peace.

[MrAuthoritarian]

Democracy is a government of oligarchy convincing a majority of simpleton idiots that they are free. Anybody worth of intelligence knows that freedom isn’t real.

[MrAuthoritarian]

You say Vladimir Lenin was better but I maintain Joseph Stalin was superior in applied ideology.

[MrAuthoritarian]

Looked up Timocracy, it sounds no different from any other kind of monarchy.

Note that autocracy is the next evolution of monarchy and I am a firm believer in that.

My government style would be an autocratic form of national communism. Where we differ is your belief in private property versus mine of public state property. In your society I am guessing there would be a wealthy private aristocracy, in mine there would be the political inner party of the autocracy that is a philosophical intelligentsia.

[Kallikantzaros (Silenus)]

Timocracy requires a citizen to earn his vote, not only by serving the state but also providing tangible products for its maintenance…so the citizen proves his psychological worth before he is trusted with a vote.

You want to replace the exploitation of capitalists with the exploitation of workers of the collective’s work.

Public property should be restricted to key resources.

[MrAuthoritarian]

Athenian democracy was a way for the Greek oligarchy to supplant the monarch, was it not?

Did not Athenian democracy end in a corrupt failure?

[MrAuthoritarian]

The unfortunate prospect of human beings incapable of pure reason or logic. Basically sums up what you have said.

The best approach is that we strive towards the best possible world because perfection is unattainable. There will never be any kind of perfect world, society, or human civilization.

[MrAuthoritarian]

North Korea wouldn’t be in such bad shap if its entire nation wasn’t cut in half by occupiers. Nothing to do with communist atrophy.

[Kallikantzaros (Silenus)]

Ethnicity does not despise authority.
A king, in an ethno-state, represents the same genes and memes as the lowly worker.

Marxism turns a tribe’s lowly against their own kind, suing their resentment.
Thusly, we find leftists allying with the enemies of their own kind.

This is why it is so seductive to the weak.

Workers of the world unite…should be…
Inferior masses of the world’s tribes, become a tribe.

[futureone]

Rome…Mesopotamia, China, Shang Dynasty…
Rome collapsed under its own weight.

Rome:

• Strict moral code and crucifying people
• Constant wars
• Conquering and battling against white, european barbarians and pagans and enslaving them
• Constant infighting and political conflicts
• Lead poisoning in the water
• Crooked corrupt and decadent leadership resulting in collapse.
• Overthrown by german barbarians due to empire too large and spread thin

Mesopotamia - Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that the homeland of the semites? Old testament is more of a testament to war than anything else, Semite barbarians warring with each other 24/7 and rape.

China speaks of legends of warlords, clans, fighting and warring with each other every day and every minute.

You seem to be a much bigger scholar than I, for example you know of the Shang dynasty and I know nothing about that. Maybe I’m wrong about mesopotamia as well, but I assumed that was where the old testament took place.

In summary: This is copium and nostalgia. One day I hope they improve VR to the point where you can live out these ancient fantasies, but I do not want a return to the BC era in the real world.

Your own understanding of good/bad is rooted in Abrahamic ethics.
But I didn’t describe their morality, I described their hypocrisy, relative to their stated morals.
Abrahamism is arrogant, feigning humility - selfish, feigning selflessness.
They cannot even follow their own ideals.

I was raised Abrahamic and questioned the doctrine and dogma. I form my own beliefs. I know your opinions, which is that anyone raised in Abrahamic culture are “psuedo-abrahamics”, even atheists. And you label Abrahamics as helping those in need, messanistic, and wanting to save the world. A superman.

@Kallikantzaros

Whereas America has been so peaceful, right?
What of the ehtnic cleansing and slavery described in the bible?
No ethnic cleansing in Gaza…from the god of Abraham’s chosen people, right?

I can only repeat Heraclitus…

I never approved of any of that.

This isn’t about “Abrahamics”, this is about me and you. Old and the New.

You want to go back to the old ways of men. There are only 2 ways that goes down. 1. Either some woke DEI world where all races live in harmony. 2. Segregation where races are separated into nations.

1. If you ever lived in a city full of diversity, then you will know the discomfort of seeing men of a different race of a different phenotype than oneself. The “Abrahamic” will try to “nihilize” and pretend the discomfort is not there and if anyone tells the reality they will label them a “racist”. The discomfort is because, deep down, you know men are barbarians, and you do not trust them.

Eventually, a mono-race will form, because of all the breeding and proximity going on.

2. All races segregated, causing peace for a time. But the seperate nation states will find ways to wage war against each other. Monkeys with nukes. Or Nazis trying to end the wars with a mono-race.

Both solutions are oblivion. It is clear now why Futarani is the only logical choice. Men are chimps and they cannot be given nukes and ASI powered war machines. We must embrace Bonobo society.

I can only repeat Heraclitus…

Struggle, strife…conflict…natural selection…Flux.
Your desire for a peaceful world is based on your Biblical indoctrination…describing death, stagnation…ennui…atrophy…as your ideal.
Eternal peace.

It is clear now your true motives. You cannot fathom any existence besides war. A world without war is like death, to you.

[Kallikantzaros (Silenus)]

This is why Marxism is the offspring of Abrahamism.

Where did christianity take root?
Among the salves, spreading upward, because weakness can be found in every man.

Where does Marxism take root?
Among the poor.

[MrAuthoritarian]

It’s like you cannot admit historically that corruption exists in both monarchies and aristocracies which is why peasant uprisings exists to begin with. Instead your entire attitude is the weak poor peasants get what they deserve no matter what.

Sounds pretty ridiculous.