Eschatology - share your faith's predictions

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Hi there, eschatology is on my mind these days. What does your faith teach?

My Islamic faith teaches that people will be dressed but naked (this has very much come true, it’s often that you can see exactly how a female looks naked because she’s wearing those lycra bottoms), alcohol will be abundant (commercial production like we know it today was unheard of back then), a person would walk by a grave and wish they were in it (the epidemic of loneliness?), and people would compete in the construction of tall buildings (this has absolutely come true).

Earthquakes will increase in frequency.
Sudden deaths will increase in frequency
Eventually lightning will become so common that every day we will hear of someone we know that was killed by it

Arabia will “return” to being a land of rivers and meadows - our Prophet (peace be upon him) could not have known that it was once a land of rivers and meadows - only in modern times have we sussed that out. And it’s always been unthinkable that it will ever be green again.

There will be a major war between two sides that follow the same religious teaching. Presumably many will die otherwise why mention it. I know of at least one conflict that is threatening to suck as all in, and it involves 2 sides that do indeed follow the same church.

Then the major Eschatological signs start:

A man called Mahdi will lead the Muslims but there is some debate on this, eg where he will be born.

Eventually, Muslims and Christians will unite against an enemy “beyond Rome” and they will defeat it, only to then turn against each other.

Then the Antichrist will be announced and everyone will be in trouble except those who follow him. He will have godlike powers, and time will slow down.

There will be patches of dark night floating through the streets.

Pretty much all animal and plant life will die except what God permits - l think Christians call this the Abomination of Desolation.

Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) will descend from the sky at Damascus, though some Muslims deny this will happen.

Once the Antichrist sees him, he will dissolve like salt in water and that will be the end of the Antichrist. Jesus will then marry and die a natural death. But at some point before his death, Gog and Magog will return.

Gog and Magog were probably the trolls and goblins of ancient northern hemisphere myth. Some of them were very tall and covered in red hair, l guess they had a low IQ and so they survived by extorting money out of people in order to let them cross a bridge etc. They are all human but monsters. They will destroy everything before them, they will be in colossal numbes and drink the Sea of Galilee (Lake Tiberias) dry while they pass by it. They will fire arrows into the sky and the arrows will return with something resembling blood on them and thus they’ll conclude they’ve killed God. Jesus will say a prayer and God will answer by sending a parasite into their necks which will kill all of Gog and Magog and then birds with the necks of camels will carry the corpses away (this sounds like the Chinese description of dragons). The earth will be nourished and grow abundant fruit. Eventually Jesus will die.

Then Satan will arrive in human form. The Qur’an will disappear from the pages of all books. Satan will deceive everyone and people will act with abandon. Then suddenly God will reveal his SHIN BONE the world will end. Maybe that was the culmination of all life on planet Earth - that God would reveal his Shin.

Woohoo!

What does your religion teach? I guess this will be a short topic.

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respawn

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Meaning what?

Please can people post their eschatologies, but also: Give their interpretations.

For example, Christian eschatology is usually wide open to interpretation.

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In Islam it is informally (?) understood that all the antichrists our faith predicts will be within the Islamic community (approx. 30 lesser ones, then the Big One). However, Christianity and Judaism have their own antichrists, e…g Haile Selassie, the Emperor of Ethiopia, who was falsely worshipped as the second coming of Christ / God incarnate (killed by Atheist Communist Derg rebels). I’m sure Judaism has had some antichrists too e.g. Jacob Frank?

What interests me is that Christians were quiet about Islam until Islam actually arrived. Until then they had no clue about the advent of Islam - perhaps because the name of the Prophet was rapidly expunged from all Gospels by Pau? Or maybe after Paul.

When Islam arrived, there was a gradual uproar that it must have been the antichrist, even though the Prophet Muhammad matches zero criteria for him

Here is what l could find:

In fact there is still some remaining evidence pointing to Muhammad as the Parakleitos (caller, or various other translatied terms, i.e. the next good guy, Prophet) expected after Christ, as outlined here.

But there is even more evidence claimed, on Google. I don’t believe much survived Paul’s translation into Greek. I guess that’s one way of dumping the original Gospels, which were written in some Semitic language, as a direct first person revelation by God.

How about this though:
How do Christians apply “666” to Islam?

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Muhammad wasn’t even born until 570 A.D.

Paul died 64 A.D. and wrote everything (not the whole N.T., duh) before that.

Pretty sure actual muslim apologists would know that.

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Hello, as you know, the Antichrist prophecies are prophetic.

Prophecies relate to things that haven’t occurred yet.

Islam hadn’t occurred yet, nor had the Antichrist. Yet now, Christians are increasingly beginning to retrospectively say Islam was indicated all along, in the prophecies of the Antichrist e.g. yourself.

If Islam was the Antichrist, then Islam was the biggest evil ever. Moroever we know today that Islam is almost on par with Xtianity in terms of populaiton. So, the Bible MUST have linked Islam with the Antichrist.

Combine this with Xtians saying now that Islam is the antichrist, l ask:

  1. Show me how any Xtian prophecy about antichrist indicates the Prophet Muhammad?
  2. Show me how 666 has anything to do with Muhammad? 666 is after all the barcode of the antichrist. The seal on the entire matter.

Or admit you have no reason to support saying Muhammad was the antichrist, you can’t even find the barcode to scan and give a yes/no response, regardless of polemics, l mean you can’t even get a match for “666”.

As for Paul, okay granted he didn’t write the entire NT but it was filtered through him. And the whole affair was indeed written up in Greek. This l feel was a very crafty way of filtering out any Semitic references to the Semitic name of the Semitic Parakleitos, the Caller, the Praiser, the Explainer or whatever the translation is. Nobody is even sure what the term can be translated as anymore.

Also, my friend, if you are speaking as a Christian l ask that you consider behaving as one too.

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Can you please quote where I said Islam is antichrist? I’m not saying I never said it. I just want to know where I said it, so that I can see the context.

My first attempt to guess why I might have said it … involves the traditional interpretations regarding the crucifixion. However, I just ran across this very interesting article:

So, denial of the crucifixion may not even be in the Qur’an.

The meaning of 4:157 could be something more like when Joseph said, “you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today,” (Genesis 50:20)… and everything Jesus said about giving his life, and why:
Jesus' "State of the Kingdom" Address: Good News of the Kingdom: Costly Grace: Amazon.co.uk: Spikes, Maryann: 9798302210524: Books (heh)

The traditional interpretation that refuses to accept that Jesus was crucified reminds me of Peter’s initial reaction to the idea in Matthew 16:22. Peter would go on to deny Jesus three times during his trial, but Jesus accepted him back after his resurrection (John 21:17).

Peter gets a lot of flack for denying Jesus. Thomas gets a lot of flack for doubting Jesus. But every single disciple scattered from Gethsemane, and doubted once he was dead. It wasn’t until the post-resurrection (not mere, but bodily) appearances they had renewed hope.

It’s pretty ironic that the Jews circulated the rumor that the disciples stole the body (Matthew 28:15), whereas Q4:157 makes it sound like they considered themselves victorious that they killed him. How are they going to be victorious without a body? So the traditional interpretation of the Qur’an doesn’t add up to me. Denial of the crucifixion is not in the Qur’an, merely the denial of Jesus’ divinity.

The other part of that article that makes an Islamic person a less likely candidate for antichrist is that they emphasize the humanity of Jesus.

…the main problem with the Docetism theory, as many scholars have observed, is that Docetism and other Gnostic strands emphasize Jesus’ absolute divinity and deny his real humanity (Jesus only “seemed” human), while the bulk of the teaching of the Qur’an and Hadiths—even if Muhammad was in some way influenced by such groups—emphasizes precisely the opposite, namely, denying Jesus’ divinity and affirming his humanness.[26]

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Okay, l only thought afterwards maybe it wasn’t you, it was on the other thread about the man condemning his kids to hell (with your full support!).

It was that man that answered my words of comfort by associating Islam (and Buddhism etc.) with the antichrist.

Coming to think of it, he was actually going along with the Bible somewhat but this reinforces my contention: Denying the divinity of Jesus is not a definition of Muhammad, in fact it defined all on earth but, say, 1000 people at the time.

Crucifixion: we do deny that. In the third link of the three links l posted above, there’s a list, and searching that page for “cruc” yields nothing.

It’s a stretch to say we deny a Prophet could be murdered. The Christian polemicist in your article above was just skimming through our religion, albeit doing more work than the usual polemicist.

In fact the Qur’an states at multiple points that people murdered their prophets. I’d go so far as saying it was to be expected. That’s one of my arguments against Revisionists, they seem to think Montheist prophets went around Persia, Greece, Scythia, Yemen, gathering ideas. I didn’t even have time to clip my nails this week. The Monotheist prophets made no money from being prophets and they had no time to collect polytheistic and philosophical concepts to invent monotheism but my main point is: they lived lives of horror, facing being murdered every day every night.

Also note that the most recent murdered prophet was John (peace be upon him), whom you call a Saint, but we call Prophet Yahya. He was Baptist and some feel the Sabaeans (one of the People of the Book) were followers of John, because Saba’ in Arabic l think means to float or swim. He got beheaded by Herod at the behest of a hoe, according to Xtian writers. His head is preserved in the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus, Syria, where our Prophet Muhammad said Jesus would descend from Heaven when he returns (Syria was never even Muslim at the time of the Prophet).

So anyway. It’s not that we think Christ could not be murdered. Rather, because his name is Messiah, it means he was yet to do what Messiah does. His ministry was very brief, a few years. So far.

I feel Messiah means he was oiled as in a wrestler. Also, the oil is from heaven, and so l don’t feel he has even been anointed yet, but our prophecies indicate that his hair will be dripping beads when he descends from heaven - l can assume that is when he will have been anointed. So, he is yet to fulfil the role of Messiah.

Even the veil of a maiden of Paradise is worth more than the earth, and that veil just exists to hide her beauty. So imagine the change that will occur from the fragrance of Christ’s anointing oil.

So, that is the meaning of the Qur’an ridiculing the reports of Jesus’s murder. I note you elsewhere say Islam is an Ishmaelite cult because shrugs. Actually it’s not a racial cult, it’s a universal faith, the only such monotheistic faith.

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@Ichthus77 I put it to you that Islam saves the Bible’s face. The Bible absolutely should have had something to say about Islam if Islam were false, as it may soon overtake Christianity and Judaism combined in number of adherents (for whatever reason, it doesn’t matter).

So, a false religion overtaking Bible-based religion is a major thing especially when it claims to supersede Bible-based religion.

So where is mention of Islam / the Prophet Muhammad in the Bible? There is still some mention left, but you need to look for positive mention as an awaited Prophet, not antichrist. That way, the Bible saves face too. It seems there are still traces of mention left. Seems Paul and / or other editors forgot the Ishmael (peace be upon him) side-show. Peace.

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Stop speaking for me, liar.

You mean the “all-peoples-promises” of the Abrahamic covenant? No…that’s what he was about. That’s always been the gospel.

Anywhayz.

What I’ve said previously, I put to you again…

Stop misrepresenting me.

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Stop being so crabby. I apologise for mistaking your words again. But you said you were on Team Whore (pp) on another thread about legalising prostitution. You kind of blew your credibility way back then. Then you followed me to anotehr thread and called me a paedophile.

And then followed me to another thread just to tell me you’re ignoring me.

I still take pity on you but only because you are what my religion terms a Moomin, that is a Believer.

And again sorry for mistaking your words for someone else’s. Also please do an ASMR series of abstruse Bible tracts, you’d cure insomnia just like that , clicks fingers.

You ignore the main part of what l proposed that doesn’t require craftiness to get:

  1. Bible didn’t anticipate Islam but should have done because it is an Abrahamic faith and deems itself successor to Christianity and Judaism and holds Jesus Christ as core figure, as Messiah
  2. Thus either the Bible is stupid and doesn’t really know the future [POSSIBLE] Or the evil of the coming Islamic faith was edited out [UNLIKELY, NO REASON FOR IT]. Or the good of the coming Islamic faith was edited out [LIKELY]. Or the good was edited out but some still remains.[LIKELY]
  3. The Prophet Muhammad is indeed presaged in the Bible in a positive sense. Most of it was likely erased via Paul’s translation of the NT into koine greek, thus sanitising the semitic names, changing them completely.
  4. I also mentioned a reason why we deny Jesus could be murdered and give an account of his return to earth. If you loved Jesus truly, you would love that. Yet your reaction is one of fury. Your heart is being taken over by evil. Please be careful out there. Peace.
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Dear Christian sister, please tell me what you think of Islamic prophecies - are they more accurate than Bible prophecies?

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This is a beautiful article:

Reminds me of the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4, who said, “Come and see a man who told me all I ever did.”

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Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. She went, and filled the skin with water, and gave the boy a drink.” – Genesis 21:17-19

^^^ I have some of that water in my fridge right now, my sister recently sent me a bottle.

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Of course the rest of the quote foretells “a great nation” to come from Ishmael.

“And God heard the voice of the boy; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven, and said to her, ‘What troubles you, Hagar? Do not be afraid; for God has heard the voice of the boy where he is. Come, lift up the boy and hold him fast with your hand, for I will make a great nation of him.’.” – Genesis 21:17-19

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One thing that piques me is:

I feel Islam is being undermined more and more these days.
Also: it’s far worse than Christianity is being undermined.
As for Judaism, l’ve no idea.

How fiercely its detractors twist a thing is not a good standard, but when it gets so bad that people by default think Islam is about suicide, terrorism / extremism, cutting female genitalia inc. cutting it clean off (with shards of glass even), and torturing animals before eating them (despite the slaughter method being exactly how everyone did it just a few years prior), a holy book supposedly filled with commands to act like PCP zombies assaulting Precinct 13 … then l would opine that Islam has more truth, hence it’s defamed more.

Islam has been in the news every day since around 2000. Prior to that it feels like it was bliss but it was probably quite bad even then but since 2000, the permanent media frenzy has made it fever pitch. No other religion has this dubious distinction.

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Did you know that ISIS recently beheaded 70 Christians in Congo? Is the media silent because it was a Muslim extremist group, or because it was Christians, or because they were black, or is it because religious terrorism is being exploited by those who want to exploit the region’s minerals that are necessary in tech? Do technological profiteers exploit/silence the media in this way? Did you know that a popular Muslim apologist refers to Christians as polytheists just like the verse that commands Muslims kill polytheists? That certainly can’t help things. UNLESS he interprets the verse THIS way: https://youtu.be/WKQujwUChjc?feature=shared

Perhaps Christian apologists could do more to deescalate tensions by hearing and heeding such interpretations?

And perhaps nonextremist Muslims could help put an end to terrorists like ISIS and Hamas.

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Edited as l was too harsh to @Ichthus77

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You need to deal with the extremists. I have been very moderate and charitable.

I’m going to go back to ignoring you like I ignore @BeingMuslim, who is also you.

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