The Yahwist Project (Revisionism of Abrahamic Faiths) vs. The Monotheism First Stance (what Abrahamic Faiths teach)

Proposed Topic: The Yahwist Project (Revisionism of Abrahamic Faiths) vs. The Monotheism First Stance (what Abrahamic Faiths teach)

I’d like an official debate in 3 rounds @felix_dakat and @Bob

Yes, only 3 rounds, l’m confident l’ve got this.

Each round is the totality of 1 post from each of us, without links external to the site.

Bob and then Felix to start, i.e. alphabetical order.

I intend to show your Revisionism as fanciful and a squatting attempt in Mansion of History - which already has an established tenant. You’ve produced no valid documentation to establish yourselves in the place.

After this is done, l intend to quit the site :slight_smile:

They both turned out to be too pussilanimous for a formal debate.

Who is pusillanimous ?

If you want a formal debate just say. On the terms of the OP in this thread. You both argue for the evolution of monotheism from polytheism. Then you say, no, it is not so. Then you say things that make it seem it is indeed what you are saying and l was rightly construing it all along. Confusing.

Then you post a 47min vid, a 1hr 58min vid or however long they are. Then you cite some books that support your claim. When l type lengthy rebuttals, you reply by restating your claim without (it seems) integrating my replies. Each of our replies become so voluminous that for me it’s hard to keep track of who said what. Then you make it about who acually said what.

And my replies? Yeahhhh … what about my replies? Hence l’d like to debate this in a controlled situation where all the info is in one place and the replies are limited to 3 rounds and on point and points are either conceded (as if anybody would concede a point to me!) or the fallacy of Invincible Ignorance is laid bare for all posterity to note, even though the guilty will likely be oblivious to it.

An added boon is that, if somebody (no names, just sayin) is thinking of setting up as a false prophet with a new patchwork scripture of nice thoughts … then they may take pause when this short debate ends.

@felix_dakat @Bob I pledge to leave you both (and the forum) in peace after this debate. It won’t hurt to summarise everything in this thread. Rather than sealioning Monotheism even if it’s on your own threads.

I have told you that I am not interested in a debate, because your lengthy answers take up too much of my valuable time.

We can agree on a word limit and in any case, neither of us will be saying anything new. The point would be that l’ve already effectively ended the debate inasmuch as l’ve shown the Monotheistic narrative to be overarching.

We can make it a two round debate if you prefer. Please.

I think that the whole competition between faiths is a waste of time. We all have a narrative, whether shared with a group of people, or our own, from which we take the experiences that give our lives a profile. These are also necessarily geographically and culturally diverse, shaped by living conditions, historical developments and most importantly, previous mythologies and legend, metaphors from common experience, and day to day experiences.

When looking at the traditions of the world, I tend to ask myself what is probable or plausible. Stories of miracles and wonders I put to one side and try to figure out what a normal progression might look like. I haven’t found narratives that rely upon a miracle, but only those that are embellished by them. I have found narratives that arise from something exceptional, but none that depend on a divinity intervening.

What I do find, however, is the fact that life, capable of sentience, imagination, cooperation, and overcoming the challenges and hardships of life on this planet, including cataclysms that wipe out large numbers, is rare in the part of the universe we live in. And despite searching for comparable life outside of our solar system, we haven’t come across it yet. This is enough for me to say that we constitute something special, albeit precarious, and asks many questions as to how we could come about without our potential being a part of the universe to begin with.

So, to conclude, setting aside miracles to look for plausible progressions makes a lot of sense, especially when considering how myths evolve from real events, metaphors, and psychological needs. Even without invoking divine intervention, the mere fact that we exist as self-aware beings in a vast and seemingly indifferent universe is extraordinary.

It raises profound questions about whether consciousness is an inevitable emergence of complex systems or something far less common. When sentience emerged, it suggested that the conditions for it were embedded in the universe from the start—whether as a latent potential within matter and energy or as an inevitable outcome of complexity. That does imply that consciousness is not just a random accident.

This perspective aligns with some scientific and philosophical ideas—like the notion that life arises where conditions allow, or even the idea that the universe has a kind of built-in tendency toward increasing complexity. Vedanta, particularly in its Advaita (non-dual) form, sees consciousness as fundamental to existence rather than a byproduct of material evolution. In this view, the universe is not merely evolving toward greater complexity but toward the realisation of its inherent consciousness. Some interpretations align with the idea that evolution isn’t just biological but also spiritual, leading to higher awareness and self-realisation.

Sri Aurobindo, for instance, blended Vedantic thought with evolutionary theory, proposing that life evolves toward what he called the Supramental, a higher state of consciousness beyond the human mind. This idea resonates with Teilhard de Chardin’s concept of the Omega Point, where consciousness advances toward a culminating realisation. I believe this idea has been influencing religious traditions for some time.

I’m not after interfaith debate on this topic. I just want to establish the anti-Abrahamic anti-Monotheist “Yahwism” dialectic.

Oh and … show that it does not have more legitimacy than the established claims of Abrahamic montheism. Abrahamic monotheism has always lived here. Your documentation is spurious and your squatters rights claim to this house is frivolous. Peace.

Judgment Summary:

“Yahwism”-type revisionists seek to show that Abrahamic monotheism grew out of Polytheism. They cite as evidence the existence of tribalised variants of Yahweh and / or images of Yahweh having wives &c.

This is already covered by the Monotheist’s own account of what happened after Prophets brought monotheism, how it degenerated into tribalism and polytheism via idol-intercessors, all as an exponent of creeping materialism which required a deity that we could physically touch.

The revisionists @Bob and @felix_dakat ignore this simple counterargument and its commentary, and prefer to keep restating their case. This is the fallacy of Invincible Ignorance (no offence).

As all can see here on this challenge thread, they are too pusillanimous to debate it formally, in a succinct controlled situation where their fallacy of Invincible Ignorance would be set in stone and laid bare - this new-fangled revisionism needs monsterthreads, where objections are hastily buried via mindless repetition of a Revisionist thread’s OP.

All rise for judgement.

There’s nothing new to be said on the matter. However fantastic the claim of Monotheism may be, about One God really existing, the Revisionist attack which purports to find new evidence on a millennia-old problem, is merely derivative and so the time-honoured ownership claim of Monotheism on this property (the property = Historicity) is upheld.

As a derivative of the Monotheist narrative, the Revisionist claim is at best fanciful, and at worst: it fully upholds the claim of Monotheism because it purports to have found degenerate forms of Monotheism already within the narrative of Monotheism.

@Bob @felix_dakat You have brought a frivolous claim of ownership of the house of Historicity. You have not responded to the summons for this trial. You have extended the matter beyond comprehension.

DIRECTIONS:
I order in absentia that you pay God compensation and l issue a 12 month Civil Restraint Order entailing no Sealioning of anybody that believes God is One and has revealed Scripture to humankind. It may even be on your threads but Historicity is a house and that house is Monotheism’s so you are sealioning.

As a final direction: One interesting aspect is that the Revisionists ignore what “Yahweh” means and it’s evidently not even on Google. The meaning cripples their narrative and I order that the meaning of the noun “Yahweh” shall be withheld @Bob and @felix_dakat as a special direction requested by the Defence so as to keep the giggles coming.

Gavel bangs.

And they are continuing to argue unacademically, i.e. not integrating my rebuttals, and now even trying to slur me with terrorism here:

You literally quoted something that does not consitute ‘slurring’ you with terrorism - quite the opposite!

Your part was not that, it was about not integrating my rebuttals AND slurring me, your part was not integrating my rebuttals. This is all very meta.

You have shirked formal debate yet you continue to try to debate a rebutted revisionist proposal e.g. here: Islam: The Untold Story - #89 by LampAndNightingale